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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1011568" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>AFAIR, in 3.0 you can Overrun only as part of a charge, and only once per charge (maybe with Improved Overrun more?).</p><p></p><p>By your quote, in 3.5 you can still Overrun as part of a charge, which doesn't take more actions - it's part of a FRA, not an action by itself. Otherwise, you can Overrun as a SAction during a move.</p><p></p><p>IMHO this is just horrible wording for a rule. What does it mean "during a move"? It's not the same as "part of a move action", and in fact it says it's a standard action. But "during" what makes you think? That you could spend a SA to overrun when you are in the middle of a move. Instead, later it says "If you were attempting the overrun as part of a charge, you may keep moving", which seems to imply that if you were otherwise overrunning but not as part of a charge, you can't split the move.</p><p></p><p>I have to say I have NEVER used overrun before. I am not even sure what it really means in english <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />. It couldn't be just a trip attempt at the END of a charge/move, because there would not be a need for a specific action for this, you can simply trip as a normal attack, can't you?</p><p></p><p>Besides, I always wondered too about this opponent avoiding your overrun: if it lets you pass past him, does he get an AoO for you moving through his threatened area? If this is so, why the hell an opponent should ever try to block an overrun?<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1011568, member: 1465"] AFAIR, in 3.0 you can Overrun only as part of a charge, and only once per charge (maybe with Improved Overrun more?). By your quote, in 3.5 you can still Overrun as part of a charge, which doesn't take more actions - it's part of a FRA, not an action by itself. Otherwise, you can Overrun as a SAction during a move. IMHO this is just horrible wording for a rule. What does it mean "during a move"? It's not the same as "part of a move action", and in fact it says it's a standard action. But "during" what makes you think? That you could spend a SA to overrun when you are in the middle of a move. Instead, later it says "If you were attempting the overrun as part of a charge, you may keep moving", which seems to imply that if you were otherwise overrunning but not as part of a charge, you can't split the move. I have to say I have NEVER used overrun before. I am not even sure what it really means in english :rolleyes:. It couldn't be just a trip attempt at the END of a charge/move, because there would not be a need for a specific action for this, you can simply trip as a normal attack, can't you? Besides, I always wondered too about this opponent avoiding your overrun: if it lets you pass past him, does he get an AoO for you moving through his threatened area? If this is so, why the hell an opponent should ever try to block an overrun?:confused: [/QUOTE]
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