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<blockquote data-quote="TwoSix" data-source="post: 7229516" data-attributes="member: 205">Ok, some low level fighting style math, to try to get an idea of how much a bonus action should be adding.No fighting styles, ignoring hit rate for now.&nbsp; Assuming best weapon for the style, and a 16 in the main stat.Offensive Strength is 2d6+3, or 10 average damage.&nbsp; Action only.&nbsp; (greatsword or maul)Offensive Dex is 1d6+3 + 1d6, or 10 average damage.&nbsp; Action plus bonus action.&nbsp; (dual short swords)Defensive Strength is 1d8+3, or 7.5 average damage.&nbsp; Action only, +2 AC for shield.&nbsp; (longsword/battleaxe/warhammer + shield)Defensive Dex is 1d8+3, or 7.5 average damage.&nbsp; Action only, +2 AC for shield or ranged (rapier + shield, or longbow)So, interestingly, offensive builds all average 10, and defensive builds all average 7.5.&nbsp; An offensive Dex build is required to use their bonus action right off the bat to match a Str build, which actually feels OK to me, since Dex has more ranged options and is generally a stronger stat.&nbsp; I would say a broad question is, should fighting styles that give bonus actions continue to benefit offensively oriented Strength builds equally to offensive Dex builds?&nbsp; The TWF style, as currently written, makes Dex and Strength equivalent (since they can both only use 1d6 weapons).&nbsp; TWF (current) Str or Dex: 1d6+3 + 1d6+3 = 13 average damage.&nbsp; Action + bonus action.&nbsp; (dual shortswords)So adding in the fighting style adds 3 average damage, at the cost of a bonus action for Strength users, but not for Dex users.&nbsp; The Dex user gains 5.5 damage for the cost of his bonus action after taking the fighting style.&nbsp; Going by that, I think we can say that it's OK if a fighting style gives different bonus to Dex and Str users, but the benefit of any fighting style bonus action should be between 3 and 5.5 damage at first level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwoSix, post: 7229516, member: 205"] Ok, some low level fighting style math, to try to get an idea of how much a bonus action should be adding. No fighting styles, ignoring hit rate for now. Assuming best weapon for the style, and a 16 in the main stat. Offensive Strength is 2d6+3, or 10 average damage. Action only. (greatsword or maul) Offensive Dex is 1d6+3 + 1d6, or 10 average damage. Action plus bonus action. (dual short swords) Defensive Strength is 1d8+3, or 7.5 average damage. Action only, +2 AC for shield. (longsword/battleaxe/warhammer + shield) Defensive Dex is 1d8+3, or 7.5 average damage. Action only, +2 AC for shield or ranged (rapier + shield, or longbow) So, interestingly, offensive builds all average 10, and defensive builds all average 7.5. An offensive Dex build is required to use their bonus action right off the bat to match a Str build, which actually feels OK to me, since Dex has more ranged options and is generally a stronger stat. I would say a broad question is, should fighting styles that give bonus actions continue to benefit offensively oriented Strength builds equally to offensive Dex builds? The TWF style, as currently written, makes Dex and Strength equivalent (since they can both only use 1d6 weapons). TWF (current) Str or Dex: 1d6+3 + 1d6+3 = 13 average damage. Action + bonus action. (dual shortswords) So adding in the fighting style adds 3 average damage, at the cost of a bonus action for Strength users, but not for Dex users. The Dex user gains 5.5 damage for the cost of his bonus action after taking the fighting style. Going by that, I think we can say that it's OK if a fighting style gives different bonus to Dex and Str users, but the benefit of any fighting style bonus action should be between 3 and 5.5 damage at first level. [/QUOTE]

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