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<blockquote data-quote="Jdvn1" data-source="post: 2993727" data-attributes="member: 26424"><p>I'd like to start by saying that a) I don't know what 'FWIW' stands for (and I'm on the internet? How dare I?!), b) I didn't expect a response to the review since it's inherently largely opinion and not meant to be necessarily definitive, and c) if there were to be a response, a direct response to the review would probably be better, since I don't expect everyone who reads the review to come into this forum (this is a relatively low traffic forum) and such a discussion is, in theory, to the benefit of a would-be consumer reading the review.</p><p></p><p>But, if you want to talk about it, let's talk about it.</p><p>Thanks for including the spell. It doesn't change my opinion of the pdf since I tend to consider such an item being taken as-is. If you supplemented the pdf with such relevant information, that'd certainly be cool. Also, if you included this spell, I'd have to ask--what do "Blk" and "Raveller" refer to? You might want to drop those from your description, or have a note saying "These classes presented in (this other work)."</p><p>That's true. Part of my logic was based on the fact that it's extremely rare (in my experience, at least) for a Paladin to have a hand free, much less two (for grappling).</p><p></p><p>And, remember, Paladin 3 / Ranger 3? You expect these classes to use what is probably their only spell at 11th level on this? I think this spell is marginally useful, but I wouldn't ever expect anyone to actually prepare this spell in one of his slots, much less a high level slot.</p><p></p><p>Though, that's my opinion. Yours obviously varies. In the review, I tried to have a disclaimer about different opinions of spell level.</p><p>Because it's multiple people at once, there's no save (a 3rd level Fighter with the Improved Disarm feat still has to roll and has a chance of failure), it forces the defender to drop all weapons (a 3rd level Fighter can't disarm both of a TWFers weapons in a round, to my knowledge), it causes a penalty to the defender (again, no save, and this is now more powerful than a Disarm), and it works against incorporeal creatures (still with no save).</p><p>You could see it that way... but what if it's used in an offensive manner? "Oh, there's a platoon of Fighters fighting my guards... thank goodness I don't need to be a high level Wizard to make them all useless in a single round." If it were only a defensive spell used in the occasion a baddie got past the tank, it wouldn't be a 15' radius sphere.</p><p></p><p>Again, my opinion.</p><p>I'd rather the spell affect two-handed weapons if it meant that it'd have a save (Fort) and only affect one target.</p><p>Ah, I knew that, but I forgot it. I expect products to only assume the three core books, and so I didn't think to look in the SRD. I should have mentioned that the domain comes from there, but I can still give my opinion of it, can't I? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I do think it's odd that it doesn't have the Darkness spell. It was a minor comment, anyway.</p><p>That's a shame, I thought the idea of a Human barbarian tribe would be neat. I'm not sure it makes a significant different, balance-wise, though.</p><p>And I don't expect you to. I don't expect everyone's opinion to mesh with my own. I don't think it's inconceivable that a PC would take this class, and that's the assumption I took. </p><p>It still takes a mighty long time. I'd imagine a tribal leader such as him would have other things to worry about.</p><p>Oh, okay. Interesting.</p><p>Well, small sized weapons can be found in other sizes anyway. Good description, and I look forward to seeing a picture (if you're able to do that).</p><p>No, that's more than I expected. I didn't expect a response at all. I'm not sure what the review-ettiquette stance on edits are, but I think comments are probably more common to include information like the above. I could, alternately, put in bracketed edits to include some some of the stuff (particularly the information on the Shadow Lord's flail). Are erattas common in the world of pdf's? I'm not sure what your options are as far as informing the masses of possible fixes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jdvn1, post: 2993727, member: 26424"] I'd like to start by saying that a) I don't know what 'FWIW' stands for (and I'm on the internet? How dare I?!), b) I didn't expect a response to the review since it's inherently largely opinion and not meant to be necessarily definitive, and c) if there were to be a response, a direct response to the review would probably be better, since I don't expect everyone who reads the review to come into this forum (this is a relatively low traffic forum) and such a discussion is, in theory, to the benefit of a would-be consumer reading the review. But, if you want to talk about it, let's talk about it. Thanks for including the spell. It doesn't change my opinion of the pdf since I tend to consider such an item being taken as-is. If you supplemented the pdf with such relevant information, that'd certainly be cool. Also, if you included this spell, I'd have to ask--what do "Blk" and "Raveller" refer to? You might want to drop those from your description, or have a note saying "These classes presented in (this other work)." That's true. Part of my logic was based on the fact that it's extremely rare (in my experience, at least) for a Paladin to have a hand free, much less two (for grappling). And, remember, Paladin 3 / Ranger 3? You expect these classes to use what is probably their only spell at 11th level on this? I think this spell is marginally useful, but I wouldn't ever expect anyone to actually prepare this spell in one of his slots, much less a high level slot. Though, that's my opinion. Yours obviously varies. In the review, I tried to have a disclaimer about different opinions of spell level. Because it's multiple people at once, there's no save (a 3rd level Fighter with the Improved Disarm feat still has to roll and has a chance of failure), it forces the defender to drop all weapons (a 3rd level Fighter can't disarm both of a TWFers weapons in a round, to my knowledge), it causes a penalty to the defender (again, no save, and this is now more powerful than a Disarm), and it works against incorporeal creatures (still with no save). You could see it that way... but what if it's used in an offensive manner? "Oh, there's a platoon of Fighters fighting my guards... thank goodness I don't need to be a high level Wizard to make them all useless in a single round." If it were only a defensive spell used in the occasion a baddie got past the tank, it wouldn't be a 15' radius sphere. Again, my opinion. I'd rather the spell affect two-handed weapons if it meant that it'd have a save (Fort) and only affect one target. Ah, I knew that, but I forgot it. I expect products to only assume the three core books, and so I didn't think to look in the SRD. I should have mentioned that the domain comes from there, but I can still give my opinion of it, can't I? ;) I do think it's odd that it doesn't have the Darkness spell. It was a minor comment, anyway. That's a shame, I thought the idea of a Human barbarian tribe would be neat. I'm not sure it makes a significant different, balance-wise, though. And I don't expect you to. I don't expect everyone's opinion to mesh with my own. I don't think it's inconceivable that a PC would take this class, and that's the assumption I took. It still takes a mighty long time. I'd imagine a tribal leader such as him would have other things to worry about. Oh, okay. Interesting. Well, small sized weapons can be found in other sizes anyway. Good description, and I look forward to seeing a picture (if you're able to do that). No, that's more than I expected. I didn't expect a response at all. I'm not sure what the review-ettiquette stance on edits are, but I think comments are probably more common to include information like the above. I could, alternately, put in bracketed edits to include some some of the stuff (particularly the information on the Shadow Lord's flail). Are erattas common in the world of pdf's? I'm not sure what your options are as far as informing the masses of possible fixes. [/QUOTE]
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