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<blockquote data-quote="Jdvn1" data-source="post: 2999260" data-attributes="member: 26424"><p>I thought anyone could reply to a review.</p><p>Thanks! (you too, KO2)</p><p>You have some good points, and maybe the overall weakness of Ranger and Paladin spells are throwing me off. When I look for spells for those classes, I more often than not look in other sources for better or more useful spells. </p><p>Magic Missle is pretty minor damage, and it does allow SR. If Power World Disarm is used as an offensive spell by a back-line Wizard casting it to help a front line Fighter to affect a single enemy, the enemy loses a full round of attacks, suffers a -1 penalty, and provokes an AoO. That's a lot.</p><p></p><p>Also, it occured to me: what if the enemy is using a shield as a weapon? Even if he's not, a shield can be used as a weapon. Would this spell apply to shields?</p><p>A Will save might make more sense.</p><p></p><p>Thing is, in my opinion, as a defensive spell, a Fort save would make this a pretty weak spell (though, could be 1st or 2nd level), and as an offensive spell, no save makes it too powerful. As a defensive spell, a 15' radius might be justified, but as an offensive spell, being able to affect multiple people makes it too powerful (particularly without a save). I don't think changing it to 10' makes a huge difference. The problem is that this spell can be used offensively about as easily as it can be used defensively.</p><p></p><p>And remember, this spell works just as easily on BBEGs as it does mooks. Forcing the BBEG to drop his super-cool weapon (heck, forcing a Balor to drop all of his weapons) or to drop his staff (if you apply that proposed change) is pretty significant.</p><p>In some tribal societies, the witch doctor is the leader. Just because the flavor text in your description doesn't allow for that doesn't mean it can't happen.</p><p>As I said earlier, I dont' think it's inconceivable that a PC would make a witch doctor character and want to take this PrC. Since that's the stance I took with this, the long preparation times are pretty ridiculous.</p><p></p><p>And I don't think the Adept NPC or the Spirit Shaman are nearly as neat as the human barbarian "witch doctor," and I can imagine a Human wanting to specialize in a class similar to this. I'm not sure what makes Humans different from other Humanoids in this regard, in your opinion, but I think a savage Human tribe can exist in the same manner as an Orc savage tribe. Tribal Humans don't necessarily fit into respectable society. One of the reasons I like the Human race is because they're diverse.</p><p>Just an idea, but you could asterisk (or similar) anything that comes from the SRD, for reference.</p><p>And, hopefully, you can understand how I see it as well. Sure, one function of reviews is to explain to customers what the product is, and there are many functions of reviews, but one of them is to show how some customers think/would think about various aspects of the game and various aspects of the product. I try to have well thought-out reviews, and I usually print hard copies of the products so I can scribble notes all over it (which I recently found useful in explaining my logic to you).</p><p></p><p>Likewise, this discussion has been useful to me to try to see things in a different light--I try to be open-minded and consider different possibilities, but I can't think of everything. A sounding board is nice to have, and I usually don't discuss specifics with my friends because that'd require giving them or showing them my copy of the products, and I worry about the legality of it all. I'd rather convince them to buy the product, but I need a review to do that with.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the points! That's why such discussions, such threads, and such forums are so useful. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> It would be neat if publishers could link related threads from the product page. There's a 'Read the Reviews!' link, maybe there could be a 'Join the Discussion!' link as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jdvn1, post: 2999260, member: 26424"] I thought anyone could reply to a review. Thanks! (you too, KO2) You have some good points, and maybe the overall weakness of Ranger and Paladin spells are throwing me off. When I look for spells for those classes, I more often than not look in other sources for better or more useful spells. Magic Missle is pretty minor damage, and it does allow SR. If Power World Disarm is used as an offensive spell by a back-line Wizard casting it to help a front line Fighter to affect a single enemy, the enemy loses a full round of attacks, suffers a -1 penalty, and provokes an AoO. That's a lot. Also, it occured to me: what if the enemy is using a shield as a weapon? Even if he's not, a shield can be used as a weapon. Would this spell apply to shields? A Will save might make more sense. Thing is, in my opinion, as a defensive spell, a Fort save would make this a pretty weak spell (though, could be 1st or 2nd level), and as an offensive spell, no save makes it too powerful. As a defensive spell, a 15' radius might be justified, but as an offensive spell, being able to affect multiple people makes it too powerful (particularly without a save). I don't think changing it to 10' makes a huge difference. The problem is that this spell can be used offensively about as easily as it can be used defensively. And remember, this spell works just as easily on BBEGs as it does mooks. Forcing the BBEG to drop his super-cool weapon (heck, forcing a Balor to drop all of his weapons) or to drop his staff (if you apply that proposed change) is pretty significant. In some tribal societies, the witch doctor is the leader. Just because the flavor text in your description doesn't allow for that doesn't mean it can't happen. As I said earlier, I dont' think it's inconceivable that a PC would make a witch doctor character and want to take this PrC. Since that's the stance I took with this, the long preparation times are pretty ridiculous. And I don't think the Adept NPC or the Spirit Shaman are nearly as neat as the human barbarian "witch doctor," and I can imagine a Human wanting to specialize in a class similar to this. I'm not sure what makes Humans different from other Humanoids in this regard, in your opinion, but I think a savage Human tribe can exist in the same manner as an Orc savage tribe. Tribal Humans don't necessarily fit into respectable society. One of the reasons I like the Human race is because they're diverse. Just an idea, but you could asterisk (or similar) anything that comes from the SRD, for reference. And, hopefully, you can understand how I see it as well. Sure, one function of reviews is to explain to customers what the product is, and there are many functions of reviews, but one of them is to show how some customers think/would think about various aspects of the game and various aspects of the product. I try to have well thought-out reviews, and I usually print hard copies of the products so I can scribble notes all over it (which I recently found useful in explaining my logic to you). Likewise, this discussion has been useful to me to try to see things in a different light--I try to be open-minded and consider different possibilities, but I can't think of everything. A sounding board is nice to have, and I usually don't discuss specifics with my friends because that'd require giving them or showing them my copy of the products, and I worry about the legality of it all. I'd rather convince them to buy the product, but I need a review to do that with. Thanks for the points! That's why such discussions, such threads, and such forums are so useful. :) It would be neat if publishers could link related threads from the product page. There's a 'Read the Reviews!' link, maybe there could be a 'Join the Discussion!' link as well. [/QUOTE]
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