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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 6380746" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Thanks. One thought on what you say. I work at a private high school and I've noticed that Pathfinder, or 3.5, is by far the dominant form of D&D in the rather small group of gamers - and this has been the case for the last six years. There's a rather hostile attitude towards 4E, with only a few kids having been neutral or positive about it. </p><p></p><p>But I don't think this is as much about playing one edition back because of cost. It could be because they just attached themselves to the negativity towards 4E in a herd-like manner. Or it could be that they didn't like the style of 4E and preferred 3.5. Or it could simply be that they started playing 3.5 and never tried 4E and were turned off by a vocal minority. Who knows?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True. We'll see how WotC handles this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't personally care, or a least not all that much other than the fact that I want D&D to thrive, but I imagine WotC cares a good deal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. And there's reason to believe that this is what they plan on doing, that this is the "big picture" vision. I imagine that Hasbro, WotC, and the D&D team all hope for the same thing: that five years from the now the tabletop RPG is a relatively small and autonomous part of the D&D franchise, important and strongly supported as the heart of the franchise, but without the need to fulfill unrealistic financial goals (like some, such as [MENTION=8900]Tony[/MENTION]Vargas, say was the main cause for the demise of 4E).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As a side note, I just started reading X-Men again after over 20 years. I read a trade of the "All-New X-Men" and craved more, but decided to go back and re-read from early on. I started chronicling my journey over at <a href="http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?735630-Join-me-as-I-read-%28almost-all-of%29-the-last-40-years-of-the-X-Men!" target="_blank">rpgnet.</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, but I think WotC is accounting for this - which is why they've scaled back operations so much. I think gone are the years of expecting another early-80s "golden age" boom, but they may hope that they can see another early-00s "silver age" boom - or, at the least, something like what Paizo is experiencing now, which is a healthy, vibrant game and company that isn't over-extending itself.</p><p></p><p>But the brilliance of what they're doing (or what I <em>think </em>they're doing) is that D&D the TTRPG doesn't have to be a wild success. It mainly has to please a large percentage of the existing community and be the platform for a broader, multimedia franchise which <em>may </em>feed back into the TTRPG, but doesn't have to (as with your Marvel example).</p><p></p><p>I think TSR in the mid-80s, then again in the mid-90s, then WotC in the mid-00s and again a few years later, all made the same mistake of over-extending - not unlike buying a house when interest rates are low, and then being stuck with it when interest rates fly through the roof. It is the consumerist business model that is proven, time and time again, to simply not be sustainable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 6380746, member: 59082"] Thanks. One thought on what you say. I work at a private high school and I've noticed that Pathfinder, or 3.5, is by far the dominant form of D&D in the rather small group of gamers - and this has been the case for the last six years. There's a rather hostile attitude towards 4E, with only a few kids having been neutral or positive about it. But I don't think this is as much about playing one edition back because of cost. It could be because they just attached themselves to the negativity towards 4E in a herd-like manner. Or it could be that they didn't like the style of 4E and preferred 3.5. Or it could simply be that they started playing 3.5 and never tried 4E and were turned off by a vocal minority. Who knows? True. We'll see how WotC handles this. I don't personally care, or a least not all that much other than the fact that I want D&D to thrive, but I imagine WotC cares a good deal. Right. And there's reason to believe that this is what they plan on doing, that this is the "big picture" vision. I imagine that Hasbro, WotC, and the D&D team all hope for the same thing: that five years from the now the tabletop RPG is a relatively small and autonomous part of the D&D franchise, important and strongly supported as the heart of the franchise, but without the need to fulfill unrealistic financial goals (like some, such as [MENTION=8900]Tony[/MENTION]Vargas, say was the main cause for the demise of 4E). As a side note, I just started reading X-Men again after over 20 years. I read a trade of the "All-New X-Men" and craved more, but decided to go back and re-read from early on. I started chronicling my journey over at [URL="http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?735630-Join-me-as-I-read-%28almost-all-of%29-the-last-40-years-of-the-X-Men!"]rpgnet.[/URL] I agree, but I think WotC is accounting for this - which is why they've scaled back operations so much. I think gone are the years of expecting another early-80s "golden age" boom, but they may hope that they can see another early-00s "silver age" boom - or, at the least, something like what Paizo is experiencing now, which is a healthy, vibrant game and company that isn't over-extending itself. But the brilliance of what they're doing (or what I [I]think [/I]they're doing) is that D&D the TTRPG doesn't have to be a wild success. It mainly has to please a large percentage of the existing community and be the platform for a broader, multimedia franchise which [I]may [/I]feed back into the TTRPG, but doesn't have to (as with your Marvel example). I think TSR in the mid-80s, then again in the mid-90s, then WotC in the mid-00s and again a few years later, all made the same mistake of over-extending - not unlike buying a house when interest rates are low, and then being stuck with it when interest rates fly through the roof. It is the consumerist business model that is proven, time and time again, to simply not be sustainable. [/QUOTE]
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