More Scroll Woes

[DM-Rocco]

Okay, I have asked for some aid on scrolls before, and I have most of the answers, but I would like it if someone could confirm my math for a moment.

The way I see it, as a first level artificer/wizard (gestalt character) with the magical artisan feat - scrolls (from the forgotten realms player's handbook) and the Legendary Artisan feat (from the Eberron player's handbook) I would be paying:

9.375 gold and .42 XP for a first level scroll
and 56.25 gold and 2.53125 XP for a second level scroll

Right?

For those not in the know, the Magical artisan feat reduces the base cost of the item you choose to create by 75% and the Legendary Artisan feat reduces the base cost by a further 25%.

Let's no get into a debate about a DM who allows feats from two different worlds, it is done and over, let's just try and see if I have the understanding of the math.

The second level one was easier to figure out so let's start there.

Formula for creating scrolls
12.5 x 25 x level of spell x level of caster

that gives you a total of 75 total for gold to create a secod level scroll. Now, with the Magical Artisan feat multiply that by 75%, or subtract 25%, and you get 56.25gold for a second level scroll, right?

Okay, now for XP, I always was making a mistake of taking the halved number, in this case 56.25, as the base price, but I guess the real base price is 150 gold for a second level spell as per page 287 of the DMG. So, with the magical Artisan feat you reduce this number by 25% and then a further 25% for Legendary Artisan and then paying 1/25th of that giving me a total of 2.53125 XP, right?

Note, if you look below, what I actually did was take 6, which is 1/25th of 150, then reduced that by 25% and then again by 25%, which should be the same number.

So, does that sound correct to you guys?

Now, if I am right, and I think I am, what happens when I add in the Extraordinary Artisan feat?

7.03125 gold and .315 XP for a first level scroll and
42.1875 gold and 1.8984375 XP for a second level scroll?

Right?

1st lvl scroll: 25/18.75 (base cost at minimum caster level ) - 12.5/9.375gp, 0.5625exp 2.34 .42
2nd lvl scroll: 150/112.5 (base cost at minimum caster level - 75/56.25 (normally) 56.25gp, 6 xp regular 4.5 XP (base)3.375exp -25% - 2.53125

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

Are both feats 25% or is one 75%? You state the latter above and the former below...

 

[Thanee]

Both do pretty much the same, 75% of base cost (a 25% reduction). The Eberron ones only preserve either XP or raw materials (there's one feat for each), but work with all item creation feats, while the FR one preserves both XP and raw materials, but only works with one specified item creation feat.

As for the calculation, just multiply the base price by 75% to determine the cost in gold pieces (half of that only, of course) and multiply the base price by 75% twice (or by 56.25%, for simplicities sake you could probably just use 50% here, it's not that much of a difference, anyways) to figure out the XP cost.

And for the record, I don't think you can use both feats, because they really are the same thing just in different versions, but if your DM (or you, if you are the DM) let's them stack...

Bye
Thanee

 

[DM-Rocco]

And for the record, I don't think you can use both feats, because they really are the same thing just in different versions, but if your DM (or you, if you are the DM) let's them stack...

Bye
Thanee

Actually, The original intent to the Eberron feats was to have them stack, but errata took care of that. As for these two, I think even in game terms you could apply both since the Forgotten realms one says to multiply the base price by 75% and the Eberron feats say to reduce it by 25%. But I could see it going either way.

That said, it is for a game I am playing in as a player and the DM won't go for just 50%, he wants minus 25% minus another 25%. Appearently he is really worried about the .46875 difference in XP. Oh well, to each his own.