Move Silently Question

[The Souljourner]

Someone else said it - a double move is actually a hustle. From the SRD:

Walk: A walk represents unhurried but purposeful movement at three miles per hour for an unencumbered human.

Hustle: A hustle is a jog that is movement at about six miles per hour for an unencumbered human. The double move action represents a hustle.

Thus moving half your normal speed for a human is 15' per round.

So, no, you can't take a double move and move your normal speed while moving silently without taking a penalty to your move silently check.

-The Souljourner

 

[kreynolds]

So, no, you can't take a double move and move your normal speed while moving silently without taking a penalty to your move silently check.

I must be missing something because that doesn't sound right for some reason. If you take a double-move going half speed, you're still only moving half speed. You're just using your whole round to do it. You wouldn't suffer penalties for that because you're not moving faster. You're just moving longer.

 

[Berk]

Hustle: A hustle is a jog that is movement at about six miles per hour for an unencumbered human. The double move action represents a hustle.

taking two moves or a double move at half speed wouldn't be a hustle as you have stated above from the SRD since they aren't actually moving twice their movement rate. They are moving in total their movement rate which would be

Walk: A walk represents unhurried but purposeful movement at three miles per hour for an unencumbered human.

as you have pointed out above from the SRD.

 

[AuraSeer]

If you travel 60' in one round, that's a hustle. If you travel 30' in one round, that's a walk.

If you travel 30' in one round, and take no other action, you can Move Silently while doing it.

Seems clear enough to me.

 

[The Souljourner]

KReynolds - you are moving faster. A human walking for one round at his normal speed moves 30. If he jogs, he can go 60. Period. Tactical movement is broken up a little differently, but the end result is the same.

A "Normal move" in combat is not done at a walk, it's done at a jog. This is the problem. Do you usually see guys just walking leisurely around a battle field? Now, it doesn't say this explicitly anywhere in the rules, as far as I know, but from the rest of the rules it can be extrapolated.

Berk - yes, moving half your movement rate twice in a round would be a walk. However, a walk is faster than you're allowed to go when moving silently - you have to go at 15' per round, which would be 7.5 feet per move (guess you'd have to only walk on diagonals

The problem is that you guys are assuming that a half move is the same thing as moving half your speed, and it's not. Speed is distance over time. Moves are just distance.

To move silently, your *speed* has to be half normal. That means 15' per round for humans.

If you travel 60' in one round, that's a hustle. If you travel 30' in one round, that's a walk.

If you travel 30' in one round, and take no other action, you can Move Silently while doing it.

Seems clear enough to me.

No no no.

The character can move up to one-half the character's normal speed at no penalty. At more than one-half and up to the character's full speed, the character suffers a –5 penalty.

------ Base Speed -------
30 ft.

One Round (Tactical)
Walk 30 ft.
Hustle 60 ft.


That's *one round* of movement. Speed folks, speed. Not distance.

-The Souljourner

 

[zyzzyr]

The problem seems to be a greater one - what exactly is a standard action versus a move-equivalent action, and what does it all mean in reality? In what order do these occur? Do they occur sequentially or do they occur simultaneously?

Sequential: move-eq: 3 seconds, standard: 3 seconds.

Simultaneous: round takes 6 seconds.

Included in this are:

I can move 30 and attack, or stand still and just attack once? (Similarly: I can move 30' and cast, but if I don't move, I only cast once? )

If I move then attack, the square I was just in can be considered threatened, and an adjacent foe can get an AoO. If I do a double move, it's not threatened?

If it were simultaneous, I could not move 30 feet THEN attack. Why? Pretty simple - it takes time to move the 30 feet. Unless I can make it in 1 second, the attack has less time.

However, if it is sequential, then it's odd to separate move-equiv vs. standard. There is no reason you can't cast two spells in one round, if 1 standard is only 3 seconds. There would be no difference between a standard and move-equiv.

Personally, in my game, I rule that it is sequential-sequential and that it is more of a "game" than representative of reality. I still use standard vs. move-equiv, and just ask my players to ignore the relatively obvious - it does not perfectly represent reality.

The truth is, it has features of both simultaneous and sequential.

So, in my game, I would rule that half-speed with a double move (base speed 30') is 30'.

 

[AuraSeer]

If I take one Move action to travel my normal speed, I move 30'.

If I take one Move action to travel half my speed, I move 15'. I can do this while Moving Silently.
I can then take another identical Move action, to move half my speed. I have travelled a total of 30' over the course of a round.

This is the most obvious interpretation, and I can't find any rule that contradicts it. Have you got a cite to support your position?

 

[The Souljourner]

Have you got a cite to support your position?

------ Base Speed -------
30 ft.

One Round (Tactical)
Walk 30 ft.

That's straight from the SRD. That is my cite. Normal walking speed is 30' per round. Therefore, half speed is 15' per round. Total. Not per move action, not per standard action. Per round.

- The Souljourner

 

[drnuncheon]

------ Base Speed -------
30 ft.

One Round (Tactical)
Walk 30 ft.

That's straight from the SRD. That is my cite. Normal walking speed is 30' per round. Therefore, half speed is 15' per round. Total. Not per move action, not per standard action. Per round.

You know, I was going to argue with Souljourner until I read this in the PHB (page 143):

"A character who moves his or her speed and takes some action, such as attacking or casting a spell, is hustling for about half the round and doing something else the other half."

Given that, it's pretty clear that move silently without penalty means a 15' move (assuming base speed of 30).

J

 

[AuraSeer]

"A character who moves his or her speed and takes some action, such as attacking or casting a spell, is hustling for about half the round and doing something else the other half."

Ah, that makes it clear then. I stand corrected.