moving in combat

[Gromm]

Isn't the space you start in considered a "non-threatened" square?

Only for a 5' step.
Taking a move provokes an AoO (unless thats all you do in a turn, ie double move only).

 

[Tar-Edhel]

The space the cleric begins in is only considered unthreatened if all the cleric does for his entire round is move but not run (PH page 122). If the cleric moves 30 feet and casts a spell, his initial move provokes an AoO from 4, 5, and 6 (I am assuming that 1 and 3 are his allies).

The reason the cleric does not provoke an AoO for stepping back 5 feet is because a 5 foot step never provokes an AoO. Once taken, however, the cleric cannot move again until his next turn.

Exactly. So you can step out to cast Hold Person and come back in on the following round without provoking any AoO.

IIRC, even when hasted, you cannot come back on the same round because Haste does not give you an additionnal 5'-step.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

IIRC, even when hasted, you cannot come back on the same round because Haste does not give you an additionnal 5'-step.

That is a matter of debate, but I tend to agree with the side that says one 5 foot step per round.

With that said, the cleric can still take a 5 foot step back, cast the spell, perform a move-equivalent action, and then move back up to his original position with his hasted partial action. The move back up is simply NOT considered a 5 foot step since he already took one earlier. He is using his extra partial action to move up to his speed. This move would provoke an AoO normally. In this particular situation, no AoO is provoked by moving back into the original position.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

That is a matter of debate, but I tend to agree with the side that says one 5 foot step per round.

With that said, the cleric can still take a 5 foot step back, cast the spell, perform a move-equivalent action, and then move back up to his original position with his hasted partial action. The move back up is simply NOT considered a 5 foot step since he already took one earlier. He is using his extra partial action to move up to his speed. This move would provoke an AoO normally. In this particular situation, no AoO is provoked by moving back into the original position.

Strangely, no. Common sense says you are right. But by my strict reading of the rules, making a "free" 5' step implicitly bars you from choosing to make any other movement action that round for whatever reason.

This is logically necessary to prevent weird games like "5' step, Move 30', Attack" or their equivalent.

My POV is that if you choose to gain a free 5' step, then you must meet all the criteria. If you do not like the restrictions, spend a Move action instead.

A sequence that would allowed for a Hasted character is "Move 5' (provoking AoO), cast, Move 5' back."

 

[laiyna]

hi,

To clear things up, in round 1 I (number 2) do a 5 feet step back and move out of the combat. number 1 & 3 are my allies. Then I cast a spell. In round 2 I move back the combat in and number 5 is under my spells effect. Number 4 and 6 are still active enemies. This step into combat is again just 5 feet. Not a full move action just a step.

laiyna

 

[AGGEMAM]

To clear things up, in round 1 I (number 2) do a 5 feet step back and move out of the combat. number 1 & 3 are my allies. Then I cast a spell. In round 2 I move back the combat in and number 5 is under my spells effect. Number 4 and 6 are still active enemies. This step into combat is again just 5 feet. Not a full move action just a step.

Correct!

 

[laiyna]

The question stays, do I get attacks of opertunity from number 4 or 6 ? When I move out out of combat. (They don't got reach weapons so if they want to keep following me should move past number 1 and 3)

And the same question again when I move again in combat ?

Laiyna

 

[Thanee]

Nope, no AoO's for you.

First round, you make a 5' step (which NEVER provokes an AoO) and cast a spell outside of any threatened area (the spellcasting does provoke an AoO, however, without a threatened area, there is no AoO).

Second round, you either make a 5' step or even a 5' move back into your earlier position, in both cases you do not provoke an AoO, since you do not LEAVE a threatened square (only leaving, not entering a threatened square provokes an AoO).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Bobbystopholes]

No. You don't get AoO from them if you do your actions in 2 rounds (as you stated). A 5' step never gets an attack of Opportunity. That's the way all spell casters do it, until you get that concentration score up.

Quite a few people said this already. A bunch of others just threw monkey wrenches into it and made it a lot harder answer than it should have been

 

[laiyna]

BIG THANKS !!

thanks,

This is what I thaught it should be, and I'm very happy its confirmed. I'll send the url of this thread to my friends.

Laiyna