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<blockquote data-quote="morepurplemorebetter" data-source="post: 6879688" data-attributes="member: 6788192"><p>I think you did a very good summary of the issue. However, I am still reluctant to change the default calculation to just comparing the values. There are three reasons for that:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There really is no 'proof' of how Myers or Crawford interpret the rules surrounding wild shape. I have looked through ALL their twitter messages and have come up empty handed.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">When I was doing research into this I found that most people who responded were interpreting the rules as the current default: you do use the Druid's prof. bonus for things that the Druid is proficient in. I feel that my sheet is best served to offer the most common interpretation.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">An argument for using the Druid's prof. bonus is the wording in the PHB for calculating your save or skill roll. As far as I found, nowhere in the PHB it says that you have a 'skill bonus' or a 'saving throw bonus'. The wording is that you add your ability score modifier to the roll, and that on top off that you can add your proficiency bonus, if you are proficient. This, combined with your argument that the proficiency bonus is not part of the so-called "stat-block", could sway the interpretation to "you use your own proficiency bonus if you are proficient".</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">In the current implementation of "Only compare based on total number", the sheet will also force comparison for things that only one or the other is proficient in and choose the higher. For example, if your Str 10 Druid is proficient in Athletics, it will never use anything other than the Wild Shape Str OR your Prof. Bonus, whichever is higher, for Athletics.</li> </ol><p>As for expertise and to-hit, I totally agree with you. However, there were some people who wanted to do it that way and to accommodate them I added those calculation options.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="morepurplemorebetter, post: 6879688, member: 6788192"] I think you did a very good summary of the issue. However, I am still reluctant to change the default calculation to just comparing the values. There are three reasons for that: [list=1] [*]There really is no 'proof' of how Myers or Crawford interpret the rules surrounding wild shape. I have looked through ALL their twitter messages and have come up empty handed. [*]When I was doing research into this I found that most people who responded were interpreting the rules as the current default: you do use the Druid's prof. bonus for things that the Druid is proficient in. I feel that my sheet is best served to offer the most common interpretation. [*]An argument for using the Druid's prof. bonus is the wording in the PHB for calculating your save or skill roll. As far as I found, nowhere in the PHB it says that you have a 'skill bonus' or a 'saving throw bonus'. The wording is that you add your ability score modifier to the roll, and that on top off that you can add your proficiency bonus, if you are proficient. This, combined with your argument that the proficiency bonus is not part of the so-called "stat-block", could sway the interpretation to "you use your own proficiency bonus if you are proficient". [*]In the current implementation of "Only compare based on total number", the sheet will also force comparison for things that only one or the other is proficient in and choose the higher. For example, if your Str 10 Druid is proficient in Athletics, it will never use anything other than the Wild Shape Str OR your Prof. Bonus, whichever is higher, for Athletics. [/list] As for expertise and to-hit, I totally agree with you. However, there were some people who wanted to do it that way and to accommodate them I added those calculation options. [/QUOTE]
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