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<blockquote data-quote="Ovarwa" data-source="post: 7168360" data-attributes="member: 75153">Hi,MAD isn't a barrier:&nbsp; I can be a Wizard/Cleric, dumping Wisdom while having access to many great spells that don't require Wisdom.&nbsp; Or dumping Int and going the other way.&nbsp; I can be a Sorcerer/Bard and not worry about MAD at all.&nbsp; Ooh, how about a Ranger/Cleric or Ranger/Druid?&nbsp; Cleric/Druid is extremely attractive too.&nbsp; Of course, you don't have to dump the other casting stat.&nbsp; 4 or 5 ASIs take two stats to 20.Comparing to AD&amp;D isn't reasonable:&nbsp; The half-elf MU/cleric was a real favorite back in the day because it was *so* good:&nbsp; Lose less than one level of MU to get almost full-level Cleric casting.&nbsp; So good, especially since many games ignored demihuman level limits.You also have more spells available to you every day.You also get to combine subclass features in interesting and possibly disturbing ways.&nbsp; Did you want your War Cleric or other hitherto semi-martial full-caster to gain a second attack?&nbsp; Were you hoping to stack Evoker, Dragon Sorcerer and Cleric bonuses to elemental cantrips, without losing any spellcasting?&nbsp; Or did you prefer getting out of a frontloaded subclass like Diviner Wizard early?&nbsp; How about a bladesinger or valor bard moon druid?So yeah, this is rather unbalancing.&nbsp; At most levels, why would a caster want to do anything else?Anyway,Ken</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovarwa, post: 7168360, member: 75153"] Hi, MAD isn't a barrier: I can be a Wizard/Cleric, dumping Wisdom while having access to many great spells that don't require Wisdom. Or dumping Int and going the other way. I can be a Sorcerer/Bard and not worry about MAD at all. Ooh, how about a Ranger/Cleric or Ranger/Druid? Cleric/Druid is extremely attractive too. Of course, you don't have to dump the other casting stat. 4 or 5 ASIs take two stats to 20. Comparing to AD&D isn't reasonable: The half-elf MU/cleric was a real favorite back in the day because it was *so* good: Lose less than one level of MU to get almost full-level Cleric casting. So good, especially since many games ignored demihuman level limits. You also have more spells available to you every day. You also get to combine subclass features in interesting and possibly disturbing ways. Did you want your War Cleric or other hitherto semi-martial full-caster to gain a second attack? Were you hoping to stack Evoker, Dragon Sorcerer and Cleric bonuses to elemental cantrips, without losing any spellcasting? Or did you prefer getting out of a frontloaded subclass like Diviner Wizard early? How about a bladesinger or valor bard moon druid? So yeah, this is rather unbalancing. At most levels, why would a caster want to do anything else? Anyway, Ken [/QUOTE]

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