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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovarwa" data-source="post: 7168408" data-attributes="member: 75153">Hi,Yes, it has a cost.  It's a small cost for the benefit.  Oh no, my wizard must have a decent Wisdom save and Perception.  Terrible.  Not.BTW, Wisdom is *not* a dump stat for Wizards.  That honor usually goes to Charisma and Strength.Also, as I mentioned before, Cleric/Wizard is not the only option if you don't want MAD.Small or no cost.  Big benefit.Yes.  And a very small one for what you get.The cons don't nearly balance the pros.By which you mean that a Sorcerer/Bard gets to cherry pick his spells from two classes, and mix and match class and subclass features to suit.This is a huge net benefit.And a small, small cost.I sketched a few examples.  That's enough.Um, yeah.  Most things short of mathemetics are.If you cannot see how cherrypicking the very best wizard and cleric spells is totally awesome, if you cannot see how taking 2 levels of Diviner for the awesome second level ability combined with 18 levels of other spellcasting classes for things you really want is also awesome, or how stacking damage bonuses from multiple spellcasting subclasses without losing high level spells is also totally awesome......then there's really no possibility of reasonable conversation on this topic.Look, you don't need anyone's blessing to do exactly what you want.  Your game, your rules, your fun.  Really.  Who cares what I think?Anyway,Ken</blockquote>