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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phazonfish" data-source="post: 7223578" data-attributes="member: 6855766">Umm, I wouldn't call -2 to Con a small cost. It's not a prohibitively large cost, but it's definitely a meaningful enough cost to make you ask yourself how valuable to opportunity to get those benefits is. Not how valuable are those benefit, how valuable is the option to spend your level up ON those benefits.I think I'd rather be the Cleric 1/Wizard 17. I mean, I've finished my spell progression so I don't have to worry about getting behind on that, plate mail would be real nice, as a Life Cleric I get Bless and Cure Wounds + at least 1 spell from a very good list so Bane or Healing Word or a utility spell of some sort would give me lots of options for my low level spell slots, and best of all? I still get Spell Mastery next level. Sure I lose out on Signature Spell, but that's not a huge loss. Now if Signature Spell was the level 18 ability and Spell Mastery was the capstone then it'd be a tough choice.In general though, I totally agree with you. Even the best dips don't result in a character overwhelmingly stronger that just monoclassing.</blockquote>