Multiclassing and Class skills

[Ryujin]

To not believe in something is the opposite of believing in something, or the opposite of faith if you will. In our world it's called atheism, in a D&D world it might be called wilful ignorance depending on how active the gods actually are.

I prefer to call it "belief in nothing." No gods. No afterlife. It's a world view, no less than is theism. In this way it can be used as a "faith" in D&D.

Ever hear of Secular Humanism?

 

[cmbarona]

I prefer to call it "belief in nothing." No gods. No afterlife. It's a world view, no less than is theism. In this way it can be used as a "faith" in D&D.

Ever hear of Secular Humanism?

Thanks for the interesting side discussion, but you might want to fork the thread before it derails. Notice that I didn't say his character was an atheist, he's an antitheist. Big difference.

Some of the more helpful advice I've seen points to Backgrounds or reskinning, so thanks for that. I think I may consider implementing Backgrounds in particular, since I haven't taken much stock in them so far. It seems this is the perfect solution, which I'm glad to see creeps up every now and then.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Honestly, I think you should say to your player that if he wants to be trained in Insight, he should take the feat. *shrug*

I don't believe that changing the rules just for this guy is justified. If he wants to be jack-of-all-trades then he has to pay the cost for it, in feats, same as anyone else.

 

[Ryujin]

Thanks for the interesting side discussion, but you might want to fork the thread before it derails. Notice that I didn't say his character was an atheist, he's an antitheist. Big difference.

Some of the more helpful advice I've seen points to Backgrounds or reskinning, so thanks for that. I think I may consider implementing Backgrounds in particular, since I haven't taken much stock in them so far. It seems this is the perfect solution, which I'm glad to see creeps up every now and then.

Sorry, didn't mean to side-track the discussion. Just pointing out that there are many ways to skin a cat and that a "Cleric" need not represent a diety, if the DM is amenable. This is especially true in 4e where Clerics are essentially their own power source rather than having spells directly granted by a diety or dieties, as in previous editions.

A Cleric of "The Power of Man" wouldn't be out of place.

 

[UltimaGabe]

He could multiclass into something else, even Cleric, although that would require a major shift in the roleplaying of a character whose personality is already taking on a healthy color.

Hang on, I missed something. Since when does a Cleric need to be flavored as a Cleric? Just have him Multiclass Cleric, but have him call it, well, whatever he wants. Fluff and Crunch sometimes need to go hand in hand, but not in this case.

 

[DracoSuave]

Antitheist sounds like a great background option, to which adding Insight as a class skill'd be a good benefit.

Problem solved.

Or he could just take the damn feat.

Also 'Take Cleric Multiclass to get Healing Word' doesn't give you Insight as a class skill. So that's sort of a dead-end anyways.

Of course, if you take a bit of a bite of a bullet in Wisdom, and put it into Charisma, you can go the route of Bardic Dilletente, get your Majestic Word for healing, Insight as a class skill, -and- the fluff ability to use a spell to do it, -and- never involve a diety in the process.