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My 4 level 9 PCs took out the CR 17 Emerald Dragon!
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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9007887" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>It is not referring to epic monsters, but epic encounters. I have said that several times. </p><p></p><p>First, the article says 50-100%. One of my issues with it actually. I better approach would be to be closer to 50% at lower levels and then raise it at higher levels. Once past 8 lvl +/- a one shot kill is unlikely. </p><p></p><p>Also, whether something is "epic" or "carnage" is in the eye of the beholder and they are not mutually exclusive either.</p><p></p><p>Why? You can use a 3PP O5e adventure or monster with LU and vice versa. I mean, LU is a 3PP 5e product itself. That is one of things that is great about the 5e-verse you can mix and match of these wonderful ideas.</p><p></p><p>You use a simple equation like 1.5 x lvl or even the table I'm suggesting to get an "impossible" encounter. I mean, the OP is about how a group of PCs trashed an "impossible" encounter. The dragon was CR 17 and your "impossible" encounter would by CR 13.5 (1.5 x 9). Yet they beat it and did so easily. So, in the OPs case, the table I suggested was more accurate than the suggestion of 1.5x avg. level.</p><p></p><p>Again, the point is to have another tool in your tool box. The DM has to determine what works best for them and their group. But if 1.5x lvl is not cutting it (as in the OP), then maybe take a look at the epic encounter table.</p><p></p><p>Everyone wants different things. For me, if there isn't a chance of a TP in a combat oriented encounter, it is not a challenging combat encounter. I like my boss fights to be challenging. Not every fight, but there are times when there should be a good chance of failure - that is what heroes are for after all!</p><p></p><p>Experience tells me otherwise; however, I don't think that table works as well at lower levels. My group is lvl 17 now so I sometimes forget that as I wasn't even aware of the table until they were lvl 13 or something. If I get some free time I may make a new table that smooths out some of the wrinkles in that table.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 9007887, member: 83242"] It is not referring to epic monsters, but epic encounters. I have said that several times. First, the article says 50-100%. One of my issues with it actually. I better approach would be to be closer to 50% at lower levels and then raise it at higher levels. Once past 8 lvl +/- a one shot kill is unlikely. Also, whether something is "epic" or "carnage" is in the eye of the beholder and they are not mutually exclusive either. Why? You can use a 3PP O5e adventure or monster with LU and vice versa. I mean, LU is a 3PP 5e product itself. That is one of things that is great about the 5e-verse you can mix and match of these wonderful ideas. You use a simple equation like 1.5 x lvl or even the table I'm suggesting to get an "impossible" encounter. I mean, the OP is about how a group of PCs trashed an "impossible" encounter. The dragon was CR 17 and your "impossible" encounter would by CR 13.5 (1.5 x 9). Yet they beat it and did so easily. So, in the OPs case, the table I suggested was more accurate than the suggestion of 1.5x avg. level. Again, the point is to have another tool in your tool box. The DM has to determine what works best for them and their group. But if 1.5x lvl is not cutting it (as in the OP), then maybe take a look at the epic encounter table. Everyone wants different things. For me, if there isn't a chance of a TP in a combat oriented encounter, it is not a challenging combat encounter. I like my boss fights to be challenging. Not every fight, but there are times when there should be a good chance of failure - that is what heroes are for after all! Experience tells me otherwise; however, I don't think that table works as well at lower levels. My group is lvl 17 now so I sometimes forget that as I wasn't even aware of the table until they were lvl 13 or something. If I get some free time I may make a new table that smooths out some of the wrinkles in that table. [/QUOTE]
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