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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kaisoku" data-source="post: 4180657" data-attributes="member: 58447">So a Striker would have to fulfill the role a Rogue does? Or just what a Rogue, Ranger and Warlock share in common?That's what I'm getting at... where does "Wizard" begin and "Controller" end? We have no points of comparison to make, so whenever anyone suggests a Controller class that is anything but an Arcane Controller, we have people shooting down ideas at every angle because "it's not like the Wizard".The role the Wizard fulfills is multiple target damage and effect. Some hindering movement capability.Yet, I've seen arguments against any other type of Controller that have run the gamut of "Needs to be Ranged" to "Needs to be able to make walls" to "Needs to stand still, far away, and affect multiple targets still".Yes, these are things the Wizard *does*, but why does that necessarily make it a Controller's *role*. Is "doing things at ranged" a role? Is "making walls" a role? Or are these specific effects or flavour for this particular Controller?Basically, we need to find the line between "What all Controllers need to do" and "What this one Controller does".I think multiple target damage + status effect appears to be the best approach for a Controller without basically locking him into a Magic User class.After going over the info we have on the classes, there's an entry for Warlock saying they don't need their Implement for their abilities.This sounds like more than just an Arcane vs Others thing.. but maybe more of an individual class thing. Everyone can use an Implement with their abilities/attacks. Some "need" them to function (a Fighter has his weapon, a Wizard has his wand, a Cleric has his holy symbol). Others can perform them without anything at hand (Warlock and I would guess a Monk/Martial Artist would still function unarmed), however they lose the bonuses from the items.This would be something outside of both Power Source and Role, but rather a functionality of the class in question. Does it make sense if they can use their powers without Implement, or do they need them to work?Regardless, it's not something specific to a Controller.</blockquote>

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