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My First 4E Game: Disappointing. Yours? (UPDATED with player feedback)
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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4159022" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>I have little problem with people saying 4E is not their game. But I have a problem saying that something in 4E is like in a video-game and believing that this </p><p>a) is true</p><p>b) must be bad.</p><p>c) without giving me a reasonable explanation how this negatively affects the game and turns it into something "less" then a role playing game. </p><p></p><p>[hyperbole=Promise that the post will be getting better after this paragraph]</p><p>Uh-oh, D&D has classes. WoW also has classes! D&D is so video-gamey! It's not a roleplaying game anymore, it's just a computer game. The DM will be unable to react to the players and can only follow the predetermined script set out by the intial game designers! I will never again be able to roleplay my character flirting with the bar wench! Probably D&D 5 will also require Direct X 10!</p><p>D&D has elementals! Shadowrun has Elementals! D&D is no longer medieval fantasy, it will become instead a cyberpunk/fantasy mix! I don't want to play a Hacker, or being fracked (twice) by Mr. Johnson!</p><p>(Better yet: D&D has elementals! Battletech also has Elementals! I don#t want to be a Mech Pilot! D&D is turning to a board-game!)</p><p>[/hyperbole]</p><p></p><p>Don't dare to use "it's video-gamey" or "it's like Wow". Tell me how it is bad or not to your liking because it uses a specific mechanic. Tell me something like "Marks are an artifical concept, similar to WoW Aggro. It's a meta-game mechanic that exists just to key special abilities off of it and force tactical decisions for it. I don't like it, because I don't feel like I can describe it in game, especially with the "Mark superseding" rule!" That' an approach I can accept. I might still value the gameplay effect higher then the "feel" of the rules, but I can understand where you're coming from. </p><p>Off course, I can also understand where people are coming from if they just say "It's like WoW!". But this kind of "understanding" doesn't put the person in a bad light, and doesn't contribute to the discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4159022, member: 710"] I have little problem with people saying 4E is not their game. But I have a problem saying that something in 4E is like in a video-game and believing that this a) is true b) must be bad. c) without giving me a reasonable explanation how this negatively affects the game and turns it into something "less" then a role playing game. [hyperbole=Promise that the post will be getting better after this paragraph] Uh-oh, D&D has classes. WoW also has classes! D&D is so video-gamey! It's not a roleplaying game anymore, it's just a computer game. The DM will be unable to react to the players and can only follow the predetermined script set out by the intial game designers! I will never again be able to roleplay my character flirting with the bar wench! Probably D&D 5 will also require Direct X 10! D&D has elementals! Shadowrun has Elementals! D&D is no longer medieval fantasy, it will become instead a cyberpunk/fantasy mix! I don't want to play a Hacker, or being fracked (twice) by Mr. Johnson! (Better yet: D&D has elementals! Battletech also has Elementals! I don#t want to be a Mech Pilot! D&D is turning to a board-game!) [/hyperbole] Don't dare to use "it's video-gamey" or "it's like Wow". Tell me how it is bad or not to your liking because it uses a specific mechanic. Tell me something like "Marks are an artifical concept, similar to WoW Aggro. It's a meta-game mechanic that exists just to key special abilities off of it and force tactical decisions for it. I don't like it, because I don't feel like I can describe it in game, especially with the "Mark superseding" rule!" That' an approach I can accept. I might still value the gameplay effect higher then the "feel" of the rules, but I can understand where you're coming from. Off course, I can also understand where people are coming from if they just say "It's like WoW!". But this kind of "understanding" doesn't put the person in a bad light, and doesn't contribute to the discussion. [/QUOTE]
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