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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zil" data-source="post: 4159484" data-attributes="member: 20004">Fair enough.  One should probably expect to receive questions asking for examples as to why they feel it is like whatever.  But that does not mean that one should be labeled as irrational just because they feel this analogy is true.  If someone really wants to change another persons opinion, pumelling them with negative labels or open hostility is not the (dare I say it) rational way to go about it  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> .  I'm not saying you're doing any of that by the way.Look, let's say I like my games to be dark, gritty affairs.  So I need the threat of lethality and I need some realism.  Now if I look at a rule set like what we know so far of 4E, I can say that it does not look to me like it fits.  Heck, 3.x doesn't completely fit, but at least it fits better than 4E.    4E has introduced a number of what I consider distracting non-realistic mechanics, they've made players much more heroic than the rest of the world, and so on.    Sure, I could probably re-jig 4E to do what I want, but if other game systems do it better  'out-of-the-box', then how am I irrational to say I don't think 4E (as much as we've seen of it anyway) feels right for me and that product Y feels better for my games?   On the other hand, let's say I like the feel and pace of some on-line games, or I really like having the players as heroes at first level or I want to reduce the dependence on the cleric as the party medic or I really disliked the Vancian spell system.   Why then, maybe 4E is the game for me.In both cases, it comes down to the type of game that a person likes.  Neither point of view is right or wrong.  It is entirely subjective in both cases, so there is no point in getting upset when someone doesn't like (or likes) 3.x/Pathfinder/4E/whatever.  No version of D&D (or any game system) is right for everyone.</blockquote>

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