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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derro" data-source="post: 4142113" data-attributes="member: 51010">This is a very interesting thread. Both sides of the fence seem to have good arguments to me. I use fumbles. Roll to confirm with highest attack bonus after a natural 1. If you roll another natural 1 you're screwed. Basically I decide what would be the worst circumstance the fumbler could be in and apply it. I think the double 1's have come up 3 times in what, 7 years of 3.x gaming.Any way, standard fumble results in d20% check vs. rough guidelines:01-05  Something pretty bad, all threateners gain AoO06-25  Something not so bad, dazed one round26-75  Fort save (DC 20) or become fatigued76-95  Something not so bad, staggered one round96-00  Something pretty bad, fling weapon and wackiness ensuesI know it's not the pinnacle of accuracy or objectiveness but that swings both ways. I get the idea of the severity of the fumble and can apply it accordingly. I'm not so much an RBDM that I'll use this to really wring the players and fumbles never throw the encounter for the villain. It's just spice. The extra die rolls are time for me and the players to say things like, "oh schnitt, what's gonna happen" or "f-yeah, we're gonna get this guy."The fatigue right in the meaty part of the curve there might seem harsh to some. It actually allows me to capture an effect that I never could with hit point damage. I like the idea of people getting tired in combat but not so tired they're near dead. Now that I've adapted Second Wind there's a way to rid yourself of the penalty if you feel you must charge or run or do whatever the fatigue might be inhibiting. If a PC really must not fumble they can generally blow a Fate Point but that's another ball of wax. I use many house-rules and variants so take this all with the proverbial grain I guess.</blockquote>

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