my spin on orcus

MaximumHavoc

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looking at the h-p-e adventure series, i very much like the orcus/raven queen conflict. however, i see the conflict and goals somewhat differently:

we know that the raven queen is quite powerful because, among other reasons, almost all creatures die and the raven queen is the god of death.

orcus is the master of undeath (as a side note, in my world, vecna is only an exarch of orcus). not surprisingly, orcus wants more power than he already has. he knows that the more undead that exist throughout the planes, the more power he acquires.

here is where the conflict arises: each additional undead creature means one less creature that dies; the consequence of which is (i) an incremental increase in orcus' power and (ii) an incremental erosion in the raven queen's power.

in other words, the mere existence of undead is a direct assault on the raven queen's principle basis of power--death. so, while orcus strives to increase his power base by populating the planes with undead, the raven queen strives to protect her own power base by eradicating all undead (as another side note, pelor, the god most closely associated with life, becomes an unlikely ally of the god of death because of his own, separate reasons for opposing undeath).

in the h-p-e series, orcus seeks to usurp the raven queen's power over death. in contrast, in my view, orcus does not seek power over death. rather, he seeks to supplant death entirely by making all living creatures into undead. thus, making death . . . extinct (and the raven queen with it).
 

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looking at the h-p-e adventure series, i very much like the orcus/raven queen conflict. however, i see the conflict and goals somewhat differently:

we know that the raven queen is quite powerful because, among other reasons, almost all creatures die and the raven queen is the god of death.

orcus is the master of undeath (as a side note, in my world, vecna is only an exarch of orcus). not surprisingly, orcus wants more power than he already has. he knows that the more undead that exist throughout the planes, the more power he acquires.

here is where the conflict arises: each additional undead creature means one less creature that dies; the consequence of which is (i) an incremental increase in orcus' power and (ii) an incremental erosion in the raven queen's power.

in other words, the mere existence of undead is a direct assault on the raven queen's principle basis of power--death. so, while orcus strives to increase his power base by populating the planes with undead, the raven queen strives to protect her own power base by eradicating all undead (as another side note, pelor, the god most closely associated with life, becomes an unlikely ally of the god of death because of his own, separate reasons for opposing undeath).

in the h-p-e series, orcus seeks to usurp the raven queen's power over death. in contrast, in my view, orcus does not seek power over death. rather, he seeks to supplant death entirely by making all living creatures into undead. thus, making death . . . extinct (and the raven queen with it).

Maybe that's just a means to an end. Increase the undead, weaken the RQ, bump her off, take over death and undeath... then start the Immortal Genocide. And rule the universe!

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rather, he seeks to supplant death entirely by making all living creatures into undead. thus, making death . . . extinct.

YEEEEAAAH!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I didn't get this part:
here is where the conflict arises: each additional undead creature means one less creature that dies;
Are you positing a finite number of souls which get bound to the undead? Or some kind of conversion directly from life to undeath?
 

YEEEEAAAH!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.
lol. thanks.
I didn't get this part:

Are you positing a finite number of souls which get bound to the undead? Or some kind of conversion directly from life to undeath?
the latter.

now, i know that races and monsters (page 50) states that most undead are soulless--and i do find its explanation of death and undeath to be both elegant and intelligent--but i prefer to construe even soulless undeath as somehow monkeying with the life-death cycle. thereby, the raven queen would regard every single undead, down to the lowliest of zombies, as a threat both to the grand order of things and to her own power.

i see orcus' grand scheme (as i interpret it) as both simple and monumental: use the spread of undeath to conquer the planes and everything in them.
 

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