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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2619983" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I am going to disagree with most of the posters here.</p><p></p><p>Even at 9th level, the Mystic Theurge in our group held her own.</p><p></p><p>At higher level, sure, she would not have the super high level spells quite as early. But, she is only two levels behind half of the time and eventually none of the time.</p><p></p><p>With regard to caster level, a single feat allows a Cleric 3 / Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 9 to cast spells at a 15th level caster level.</p><p></p><p>The real issue is that she gives up the higher level spells (and number of medium level spells) and the special abilities of the class (either Wizard or Cleric) in order to cast a wider variety of spells.</p><p></p><p>This is a lot of versatility, especially with things like Quickened Spontaneous Cure spells for a Wizard.</p><p></p><p>You give up raw power. You gain the ability to handle more situations. It's balanced.</p><p></p><p>If you want slightly more raw power, another possibility is Cleric 3 / War Mage 3 / Mystic Theurge 9. That lowers the arcane spells a little more, but adds in more raw damage and more versatility with respect to doing damage. Plus, you gain an alternating higher level of spells each level (cleric at 16, war mage at 17, cleric at 18, etc., so you are gaining new spells every level) and you can wear a mythral breastplate and still cast your arcane spells.</p><p></p><p>And Cleric 3 / Specialized Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 9 will gain an extra arcane spell at each level (including the highest level) where the Cleric class can usually make up for the schools of magic that the Specialized Wizard denies.</p><p></p><p>Finally, Psion 3 / Wizard or Specialized Wizard 3 / Cerebremancer 9 can be even more powerful than the Mystic Theurge option.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2619983, member: 2011"] I am going to disagree with most of the posters here. Even at 9th level, the Mystic Theurge in our group held her own. At higher level, sure, she would not have the super high level spells quite as early. But, she is only two levels behind half of the time and eventually none of the time. With regard to caster level, a single feat allows a Cleric 3 / Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 9 to cast spells at a 15th level caster level. The real issue is that she gives up the higher level spells (and number of medium level spells) and the special abilities of the class (either Wizard or Cleric) in order to cast a wider variety of spells. This is a lot of versatility, especially with things like Quickened Spontaneous Cure spells for a Wizard. You give up raw power. You gain the ability to handle more situations. It's balanced. If you want slightly more raw power, another possibility is Cleric 3 / War Mage 3 / Mystic Theurge 9. That lowers the arcane spells a little more, but adds in more raw damage and more versatility with respect to doing damage. Plus, you gain an alternating higher level of spells each level (cleric at 16, war mage at 17, cleric at 18, etc., so you are gaining new spells every level) and you can wear a mythral breastplate and still cast your arcane spells. And Cleric 3 / Specialized Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 9 will gain an extra arcane spell at each level (including the highest level) where the Cleric class can usually make up for the schools of magic that the Specialized Wizard denies. Finally, Psion 3 / Wizard or Specialized Wizard 3 / Cerebremancer 9 can be even more powerful than the Mystic Theurge option. [/QUOTE]
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