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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 8137193" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>But Macahuitl were the weapon of choice.</p><p></p><p>Also a couple of details. Nahuatl is an exonym. Most speakers of the language call it mexicano/mexicana. </p><p></p><p>As for the whole deal with Cortés and Quetzalcoatl. This is the result of oversimplification and details getting lost in the retelling. He wasn't thinking Cortés was a god in the flesh -religion in the Anahuac didn't conceive gods in the GrecoLatin sense where they had a body and directly meddled in mortal affairs -, but he related him to the legendary emperor of the Toltec Empire Ce Acatl Topiltzin, also known for his tonal (mystic) name of <strong>Quetzalcoatl.</strong> -in prehispanic times, each person had three names, a calendaric name, given by the day of birth or ceremonial naming, a given name chosen by the parents, and a tonal name given by the priests after consulting the sacred books. This name usually remained a secret. This guy however was very important and was very public with his ritual name. After all it is Quetzalcoatl- </p><p></p><p>This emperor is a semi-historical figure known for having founded Tula (The second great city after Teotihuacan) and he later migrated to the East with a group of Toltecs (this migration did happen, post-classic Mayans are more accurately named Maya-Toltecans because they show a great degree of syncretism of Maya tradition with cultural elements that were first seen in the Toltecs, who were the descendants of the early Chichimec migrants that intermarried with the native descendants of the inhabitants of Teotihuacan. This group was later displaced by the later Nahua migrations, of which Aztecs were the last to arrive. ) </p><p></p><p>The Aztecs held the Toltecs in very high regard -just like how many medieval kings still held the Romans in a pedestal-, and then were faced with a group of people who carried very advanced and finely crafted items, who happened to come from the rough direction the last Toltecs migrated to, and might as well be descendants of the Toltecs with a claim on the land. In short, this was likely less religious superstition than the pragmatic fear of the descendants of the previous rulers and occupants of the land showing at his doorstep with a claim on the lands his empire currently occupied.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 8137193, member: 6689464"] But Macahuitl were the weapon of choice. Also a couple of details. Nahuatl is an exonym. Most speakers of the language call it mexicano/mexicana. As for the whole deal with Cortés and Quetzalcoatl. This is the result of oversimplification and details getting lost in the retelling. He wasn't thinking Cortés was a god in the flesh -religion in the Anahuac didn't conceive gods in the GrecoLatin sense where they had a body and directly meddled in mortal affairs -, but he related him to the legendary emperor of the Toltec Empire Ce Acatl Topiltzin, also known for his tonal (mystic) name of [B]Quetzalcoatl.[/B] -in prehispanic times, each person had three names, a calendaric name, given by the day of birth or ceremonial naming, a given name chosen by the parents, and a tonal name given by the priests after consulting the sacred books. This name usually remained a secret. This guy however was very important and was very public with his ritual name. After all it is Quetzalcoatl- This emperor is a semi-historical figure known for having founded Tula (The second great city after Teotihuacan) and he later migrated to the East with a group of Toltecs (this migration did happen, post-classic Mayans are more accurately named Maya-Toltecans because they show a great degree of syncretism of Maya tradition with cultural elements that were first seen in the Toltecs, who were the descendants of the early Chichimec migrants that intermarried with the native descendants of the inhabitants of Teotihuacan. This group was later displaced by the later Nahua migrations, of which Aztecs were the last to arrive. ) The Aztecs held the Toltecs in very high regard -just like how many medieval kings still held the Romans in a pedestal-, and then were faced with a group of people who carried very advanced and finely crafted items, who happened to come from the rough direction the last Toltecs migrated to, and might as well be descendants of the Toltecs with a claim on the land. In short, this was likely less religious superstition than the pragmatic fear of the descendants of the previous rulers and occupants of the land showing at his doorstep with a claim on the lands his empire currently occupied. [/QUOTE]
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