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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8254943" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>This is a big deal, though. Titania can't change where I go when I die, but Correlon can. And not necessarily just through me worshipping him. He could bring me to Arvandor because I lived in a way that fits with what he's all about, and he wants me to join the Seldarine, even though I worshiped no one, or worshiped place and ancestor spirits, or whatever. <em>Only</em> gods can do that. Not even devils. Devils can trap a soul by it's own agreement to go to hell when it dies, but they can't intercede and take souls because they want them, they need special circumstances.</p><p></p><p>But here you are stretching the case to get it to reach your position. Titania can hear her name being invoked, sure. Lots of powers can. Mystra and Correllon both know when arcane magic is being used. Sehanine knows when someone is hunting by moonlight. Thor hears every lightning strike and every storm. Odin knows when a king or other leader is being hanged or when there are war dead to choose.</p><p></p><p>Gods don't have to be invited, invoked, summoned, or otherwise willfully interacted with by mortals, they can just manifest their will into the world at will. Archfey, great elder wyrms, archdevils, demon princes, etc, need that invitation or invocation.</p><p></p><p>To put it another way, it's not a benefit of worship. You don't have to worship Kord for Kord to know that you're staring into the eye of a storm or challenging a Frost Giant to wrestle. He knows because he is Kord, god of storms and of might and of striving against great challenges. He might bless you even though you are a nay-theist, what does he care? You sailed, laughing in challenge, into the eye of the storm, and survived. That merits a reward, if he is in the right mood. He's a god, he'll do as he pleases.</p><p></p><p>I think you got that backward. The nay-theist doesn't care that the god exists and is indeed a god. The whole point is that the nay-theist acknowledges that the gods are real and are really gods, and believes that they shouldn't be worshiped anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8254943, member: 6704184"] This is a big deal, though. Titania can't change where I go when I die, but Correlon can. And not necessarily just through me worshipping him. He could bring me to Arvandor because I lived in a way that fits with what he's all about, and he wants me to join the Seldarine, even though I worshiped no one, or worshiped place and ancestor spirits, or whatever. [I]Only[/I] gods can do that. Not even devils. Devils can trap a soul by it's own agreement to go to hell when it dies, but they can't intercede and take souls because they want them, they need special circumstances. But here you are stretching the case to get it to reach your position. Titania can hear her name being invoked, sure. Lots of powers can. Mystra and Correllon both know when arcane magic is being used. Sehanine knows when someone is hunting by moonlight. Thor hears every lightning strike and every storm. Odin knows when a king or other leader is being hanged or when there are war dead to choose. Gods don't have to be invited, invoked, summoned, or otherwise willfully interacted with by mortals, they can just manifest their will into the world at will. Archfey, great elder wyrms, archdevils, demon princes, etc, need that invitation or invocation. To put it another way, it's not a benefit of worship. You don't have to worship Kord for Kord to know that you're staring into the eye of a storm or challenging a Frost Giant to wrestle. He knows because he is Kord, god of storms and of might and of striving against great challenges. He might bless you even though you are a nay-theist, what does he care? You sailed, laughing in challenge, into the eye of the storm, and survived. That merits a reward, if he is in the right mood. He's a god, he'll do as he pleases. I think you got that backward. The nay-theist doesn't care that the god exists and is indeed a god. The whole point is that the nay-theist acknowledges that the gods are real and are really gods, and believes that they shouldn't be worshiped anyway. [/QUOTE]
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