Negating a condition from a multiple condition effect

[Will Doyle]

If a power tells you to negate a condition (such as ongoing damage) does it also negate any other conditions associated with that effect (such as dazed)?

The power that comes up at my table all the time is "Bahamut's Liberation". Platinum Warlord Utility 11; Encounter; Close burst 5; targets one ally; "negate any ongoing damage affecting the target".

 

[Nichwee]

To the best of my knowledge:

That should just negate the ongoing damage not the effect causing it, thus not any other conditions imposed by that effect.
Negating the ongoing damge simply stops you taking that damage, it has no effect on whether the effect itself is still in operation.

 

[Breaks]

Afaik Nichwee is correct. If the power granted you a save vs ongoing, and the effect was "save ends both" (or "save ends all"), succeeding on the save would end it as normal. Negating ongoing technically doesn't even remove the ongoing effect, it just prevents you from taking damage from it, so the power's other effects will still remain as normal.

 

[Dalamar]

Do note, however , that some powers negate entire effects instead of just the condition. Can't recall any off the top of my head, though

 

[Will Doyle]

Thanks, guys. It's how I've been playing it, but it does seem a bit weird at times. For example, we had a PC hit by a poison that slowed them and dealt ongoing damage simultaneously, with a worse effect on a first failed save. It caused some raised eyebrows when I said the ongoing damage was negated but the rest of the poison effects remained.

I don't think I've seen any other powers negate part of an effect either, although I could be wrong.