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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LordBP" data-source="post: 9356037" data-attributes="member: 7041678">Done.[SPOILER="Transcript"]0:01hey guys they from the urkki for nerds by nerds and today I'm hanging out with a celebrity nerd named in harbor and0:09we're gonna be just you know shooting the [ __ ] talking about D&D I got him for0:15for a brief window here so like I was just telling him I was just telling0:21David off-air that I found out that he plays Dean Dee because we did the fantasy cruise we've given away a cabin0:26and it was so cool because one of our winners had gotten picked it as asked a0:32question and she had asked the kids about if they had ever played D&D and her like no but we were kind of0:37interesting when we check it out you know maybe they were maybe they weren't but David threw them all under the0:43busses like I play a game every I don't know if he said you play the game every week or you run a game every week but0:49you had threw out an invitation for him to play some day and day yeah exactly yeah I ran a campaign I was at the0:56Emperor campaign this was like a couple years ago though because my schedule got so busy we had to and like all my1:03friends have like weird schedules and so we we started and we were actually doing Pathfinder you ever you planning a1:10Pathfinder a little bit that was like a weird time for us where you know 50 or1:16they went in the fourth edition we played a little bit of that and Emily were in ER we just got into a super1:22girls kick and we totally went in the mutants of masterminds okay and by the time we were coming back the addition1:27was coming out and as as the old the older I get the less I want crunch and1:33the more rules light systems I tend to go towards now wait you you like more1:39rules light systems I do I do actually which is just more freeform like more I1:45think think a D and E versus yeah Pathfinder okay yeah yeah I mean cuz we started up1:53cuz I hadn't played in years and my friends were like apparently the new system at that point wasn't very good or1:59people weren't happy with it they thought it had been more action-oriented or it sort of went along with World of2:05Warcraft or something they weren't happy with the D&D system at the time and he said Pathfinder was better so we started2:10like getting all those books and like starting a campaign but it was crazy man like I got2:16tremendous respect for a good Dungeon Master which I am NOT because it is a very hard job because maybe it's cuz my2:24friends are all jerks or something but like you set up this entire campaign and you're trying to guide them toward a2:29certain action then like all they want to do is like go explore some kind of drama with some orc in the corner of the2:37tavern Ursula and I have to like come up with a whole new mugging plan for them and it's uh it was awful it was quite a2:43disaster and also like the idea that like as an actor I mean you're constantly trying to play characters but2:48as a DM you're basically playing like a thousand characters like just sort of doing all the voices and all this stuff2:54and so I have great respect for people that are able to do that sophisticatedly2:59because I was not one of those people yeah Brian's gates in the chat there DM3:05is like herding cats exactly that's a lot of stuff we try and touch on on our channel too is like this whole idea of3:12writing out these elaborate campaigns and and mapping everything out for players is a waste your time because3:18it's because as soon as you as soon as everyone hits the table you might as well dump some gasoline on your notes3:24and throw match I didn't realize that but that isn't it you know what it's3:31it's it's what we all have to learn and go through and really like this is like Golden Age for playing role-playing3:37games like just like me I'm sure you will start when you're younger and there is no resources like3:43you know maybe a friend had an older brother you know or a sister that played and that's how you started yeah we had3:50like I was in kind of um I guess it was like fifth grade or fourth grade we had like an advanced placement teacher we3:58take like eight courses with him and he ran a campaign after school for like4:03three hours on Thursday afternoons I think our parents who pay like I don't know like 50 bucks a month for us to4:10play in this campaign and that's where I really fell in love with it he was really good like he would come up with his own campaigns and like you know we4:17got to multi class and like come up with sort of minions and he had all these different ideas so that's where I really4:23fell in love with it that was really my beginnings that was the old system in that was the4:28advanced D&D system the old Gary Gygax like the old monster manual and so I4:34actually got a reprint of that stuff a couple years ago there's like some4:39reprints of the original systems like deities and demigods that book and the4:44monster the old monster manual the old dm's guide the old player's guide and those are great like I love all the old4:50art in them like all the weird drawing some one that will be really good some of they'll be really horrible and all4:56the different gods in the way where they went into it it was you know it's a really cool game what actually one of5:02the guys that was on the cruise and we actually met him there he actually lives in your hometown now Brian Stoneman he5:08did the plastic galaxy documentary about Star Wars collectibles and action5:15figures but he's currently working on AI of the beholder the art of day and day oh wow yeah I think we're expecting it5:22out sometime next year but yeah that might be right up your alley and he's like you know he's interviewing every all the artists from5:29you know the original game all the way up to the current edition wow that's5:35super cool yeah I used to love all those old drawings and like that stuff was so5:40great yeah yeah you oh you know you5:45always hear these all these great stories about you know people talking about the art people buying the books5:51and not even know what the game is they just you know it was the only place for them to get a book of monsters like that5:56yeah yeah I felt like you know it was super cool about those old games too which I don't know if it exists so much6:03because I feel like now games are based much more in action but what I really loved about the old D&D games were like6:08the emotional connections or the relationship connections or just like hanging out in a tavern and like doing6:15weird story stuff that wasn't based on like you know killing monsters and so6:20when you did kill a monster was maybe like 30% of the campaign but most of the campaign was spent like negotiating your6:26histories with various races and like your tensions and even like political6:31tensions and things like that which I think it's so much more unique about a game like methan you know I feel like a6:38lot of stuff has gone into video games now where it's like all action and there's so little of that you know I felt like6:45D&D was such a human game in that way like you could really explore personalities of character and stuff and6:51so I love that aspect of the game yeah in one of the last sessions I ran a6:57couple of my characters had kind of like been taken in by this old widow and they7:04like returned from town from one of their adventures to the news that she'd passed away and her like trying to think7:10of like all this in-game stuff they can do but it just turned out she was old you know so they have to you know they7:17end up inheriting this state and they have to do a funeral and of course you know I had like demons and stuff show up7:22and zombie show up in the funeral because but yeah it's that kind of stuff that is a you know a lot of fun that we7:29can introduce into the game the human element interacting with people telling7:34these these cooperative stories and I feel like now more than ever like when I7:41used to play growing up as a teenager in a tween you would have that DM like like7:46you're talking about would that would plot everything out for you and just kind of go along with that story but it really has evolved from from that7:52point where we all share the story and kind of create it together yeah and I7:58love the like I love the complexity of the world because there's um you know even with the gods and the different8:04planes like you know limbo on the chaotic neutral side and then there's8:10like that mechanistic ordered world on the neutral side and then there's like Hades and all these different like the8:15mythos is so wide and huge and I always found that fascinating like with always8:21some little aspect that you can go into that you had known about and there's just so much lore there it was so cool8:28so I I thought I had let the guys on on our patron oh you'd be coming on and so8:34I said if it had any questions and we could get to them or whatever and her D&D related I would throw them out there8:40so Tom Donovan wanted to know what we from pre third edition what was your8:47favorite class or archetype of character to play I mean I guess when I first8:52started playing I love the cleric class um you know I I8:58think it's such a I guess it's different than a paladin but it's something where it's like these guys who would just you9:06know carry like a book and a mace and had like healing spells and stuff I got kind of where warriors of the light and9:12I like the whole religious mythos of those guys and sort of their passion and and I also love the idea of those guys9:19where they couldn't party with like evil members or like even neutral members they had personality issues with like if9:27you weren't on that sort of team with the cleric like he'd have a lot of issues with you so I like that9:32complexity with them but I really was like a um a cleric guy or like a warrior9:38guy I never really got into the like mage class the wizard class or the9:43theit's class like I always felt like they were too sort of weak in the beginning like they would just9:48ultimately get slaughtered until they got to higher levels and they would just destroy things but like when they were9:54they always had like eight hit points or something and they'd always get killed immediately so I was never into like those classes yeah whatever10:01one of the guys we used to play with you stories talk about his necromancer of Doom and he was like a fourth or fifth10:08level wizard you know but we finished that game any of like 15 hit points guys10:15are like glass cannons I always hated those good fifth edition is a little10:20more forgiving it's got a little bit easier they they give them a few more hit points and and they have you know10:27more spells that they can cast regarding like back in the day you cast you cast magic missile which is probably gonna be10:34your one star and like you were done for the day yeah or like burning hands was like another one right and then you were10:40like you had like two spells a day or something then you had to go study your books yeah they seemed wildly10:45inefficient as opposed to some guy with a mace who I you know who could really like take action yeah the earlier10:52addition dishes was really tough for getting that wizard off the levels but then once you got there you were like a10:58god mm-hmm and I feel like I feel like especially early on like dragon lands11:05did a lot for characters one the play Wizards Raceland Machir yeah and his brother was11:11like the warrior right yep and here that all's yeah I remember I read all those books those Margaret Weis11:17and Tracy Hicks books or whatever dragons of autumn something and Dragons of spring something yeah those books11:24were great and the Raceland was a really cool character yeah yeah that is probably that's probably the second11:29series I read after of Lord of the Rings yeah and did they had their own campaign11:35in the D&D universe as well like they came out with the the sort of Dragonlance campaign right they did have11:41one it had one of the best covers I think in the in the game for a for a while and then you keep referencing the11:48cleric and Deedee's and demigods was like what am i probably that's my favorite book to flip through yeah I11:54love those like all those I still can look through those different Norma thought oh jeez like the Norse gods and12:00the Egyptian gods and on stuff and I loved the art of those things and that12:06was great when like we'd sometime start campaigns where you characters would be like level 30 or something and they'd12:11all like fight like Odin and so it was all ridiculous like it didn't have any sort of grounding but like the idea that12:17like Odin had like 400 hit points and like certain kind of savings then you'd go up against him like I love that sort12:24of stuff too that was super cool right and in that book there was only like five gods that had straight twenty fives12:30for their stats and it was like Odin and Zeus and I don't remember what the other three were but you know it is very12:37limited and of course as nerds like it goes back to are you familiar with Noah12:43at Wyler no spoonie well he's another he's a comedian and YouTube personality12:49but yeah is yeah he's kind of known for saying if you stat it don't kill it and12:54that's exactly the truth because you know you can't put Cthulhu stats out13:00anywhere because then the players are looking looking to kill them right exactly13:05yeah exactly how long did you play Pathfinder for um we played for like six13:12months you know and we got this book like there's a campaign book called rise of the rune Lords which is like a pretty13:18specified like campaign and so that's the camp we played we had all the books and13:23everything but then I went through systematically like the rise of the rune Lords thing and that was the thing where I kept trying to steer my characters to13:30play this version like they had to go fight these orcs and these things and like they never would they'd always just13:36wind up like staying in the end and deciding to go to some city that I didn't know anything about like either but that campaign that campaign is13:43pretty cool and like I remember in Chapter two there was like these haunt13:50things where like your character goes into this house and like they'd be haunted by various figures and I thought13:56that was a really cool mechanic like they all had specific psychological haunts that would affect them in combat14:02and stuff like that and it was a really detailed interesting world but we we14:08only got to explore like a little bit of it and then all our schedule sort of got messed up it also did sound like your14:14players were interested in staying yeah yeah exactly yeah they wouldn't fight the monsters14:20that I want them to fight it was the point that's great no no good no good14:27gaming session survives first contact with the players this is the way it is14:34what was it what was it like for stranger things that have so much Obama revolving around a indeed for you like14:41did you know that going in yeah because when I first read the script like you14:46know one of the first scenes is all those kids in the basement playing D&D and you know the duffer's are like big14:53D&D nerds and I I am as well and so like even you know it's funny because we had14:58a conversation on set where I didn't I forgot that the demagogue in was an15:03actual monster in the Monster Manual like I thought they were confusing it15:08with some other demon guy and they brought it up like they brought in the15:14man who only had the page and they were like no look here the stats and everything and like the demo Gorgon is15:20an actual he is an actual demon like he huh he's in like the nine plains of Hell15:26or something now their best yep he was just recently featured in one of the15:31newer modules actually called out of the best okay that like the plains of Hades where15:36those guys the Devils exist so Devils are how okay and demons are the abyss15:44and is the abyss neutral or evil evil and they're both evil just what is chaos15:52and evil and one is lawful and evil okay so which is lawful and evil the hell15:57realm ooh yeah yeah Devils teeth tend to16:03be more about corrupting people through choice where you know where demons are16:09just all-out evil yeah that this module was really interesting in that it features a lot of the demon Lords and I16:17think at one point like they all fight oh that's cool and like I think the16:22players kind of have to like survive the fighting of the demons yeah I got really into in terms of those planes and stuff16:29I'm really kind of interested in this skull what is it this slab or the limbo plane that's like a sonic neutral or16:35whatever where like gravity doesn't exist those will rear reptilian beings that like the slab is that what they're16:42called they're the SCAD or something to slam it yeah they are like these frog demons that that they didn't have a limo16:51and limbo is what do they call it the howling plane that so yeah the new16:58Monster Manual right here and they're also the new monster manuals are the new books really they really had the feel of17:05the the old books because the pages are falling out of them just like late night in the second printing of the first17:15edition yeah there's the death sled like those are like the higher ones right and17:20there's like red and blue and yeah yeah17:27I just like a place of like chaotic neutral like this idea that it's not17:33good or bad it's just complete chaos like it has no I love that realm but17:39it's like my question for you would be like in terms of because you sort of put characters together right we do all17:47kinds of stuff so in of like a demagogue in-world or a demagogue and campaign like let's talk17:53about stranger things is like a demo gorgon campaign like you have a party that fights like the last boss is like a18:00demo gorgon right so I'd be curious to hear your theories cuz I'm not gonna18:06tell you anything but your theories in terms of in the next campaign if these18:11characters were to fight other creatures from that world what would be a step up18:17from the demagogue on like what would be another monster that might or another devil that might inhabit the universe of18:25that demagogue and it might be period to him or a general of his or like what18:30what would you put in that campaign well for one I don't know what the hell those kids are gonna do if it's a step up from18:37you know the creature from the upside down because that thing was pretty nasty of its own we actually do a series where18:43we where we D&D eyes monsters and we did do the creature from the upside down18:50well you did absolutely yeah I don't actually remember what we did at18:55this point though because it was right after we had been binge watched stranger things19:00but yeah so so it's definitely like the upside down is like this kind of like shadow roam right joins you know this19:08world the prime Material Plane which I loved like the you know the the teacher yo explaining to the kids how this all19:15works like in theory and they're actually like doing this yeah so so like19:22you can even turn out right the creature from the upside down isn't like anything but maybe there's more of them so so it19:30could be you know the whole race of them obviously like shat like so this is this plane its shadow you know 11 is19:38obviously psychic so that and that's what drew the creature so there must be some kind of19:45psychic connection right with them and you know maybe yeah it could even be19:51that like maybe there are like a hive mind which would be pretty wild and19:56crazy I can reveal nothing to you but I20:01I actually have no theories I just go in enjoy it I am and I'm also like the20:07worst movie critic because I don't cuz I because I have like no taste like I just watch enjoy be more like that's that20:14movie was terrible I don't know I liked it yeah did you see yeah did you see the20:19trailer for season 2 the Superbowl trailer let's say you know I don't know20:26if I did or not there's uh um they it's it was like a little trailer we put out for the Superbowl it just has like20:32little clips of this season different things that we have and there's one where we'll is standing at a doorway and20:40as he looks out the doorway the sky glows red and there are these lightning strikes and you see this like enormous20:48like spider looking being out there in the distance so there is this entity20:57that we kind of revealed that that exists in this world and uh you know21:05people have been speculating unlike whether or not it has to do with the these'll Hydra talked about in last21:11season at the end of last season or or what it really is but um but that's just21:16interesting to me in terms of the lore of D&D like what what cuz the demagogue21:22in in dungeons dragons is like a devil right like he's a demon mm-hmm and so21:28you have like other ranks of demons right do you remember like where the demagogue and fits in those ranks like21:34you thought he was pretty high up he ever Corrigan Demi Corrigan and orcas were two rivals and they're like the top21:41okay what's orcas orcas is like orcas is just another demon lord and like his21:48purview is on death and undead okay lord of ghouls someone's dropping the theory21:55of loft in the chat wow what is that Spider Queen right yes yes yeah I22:00remember fighting loft when I was a kid yeah I locked the Spider Queen I mean I22:06don't know man like that thing if you've seen the trailer that thing looks a little bigger than law but but I like I22:13like what it does it does have a spider like quality to it yeah it's pretty pretty freaky well in in previous editions loft was22:22just one of the demon Lords oh really I heard - was like a spider queen or something no she was actually yes she22:29eventually they eventually elevated her to a god she's one of the Susan's the god of the drow right right right okay22:37yeah so I actually I'm pretty sure I did see the trailer but I just data dumps since then right right right yeah my22:44brain is like now the new Star Wars trailer or the Ragnarok you're right22:49there's a lot of about there well what are you excited for I mean in terms of22:56this season man it's gonna be great like I'm really excited for you guys to see it we really have kind of like upped our23:04game in terms of the world expanding and23:09there's a lot of new mysteries that were able to start to play out in this season23:15like we you know we didn't know that we'd be a hit show like we were making a season last year and we didn't even know23:21if we get a season two we didn't know if people would like it so you know we had our story sort of self-contained with23:27these little pieces of cliffhangers like Elevens Rhian sand you know hoppers sort23:33of in with the the lab sort of stuff so23:38but we didn't know how big our series would be so in terms of this season we're able to know that we have I think23:44a couple more seasons ahead of us and so we start to create a really broader palette I mean it related to D&D it's23:51like if you have a campaign right and suddenly your campaign is like alright I can start to lay in this pipe that won't23:58be completely solved by the end of season two I can start to lay in these24:03characters or these monsters or these beings for these things that won't pay off until further down the road and so24:10they're creating we're creating our own sort of mythos around this universe and24:16the brothers have this document about the upside down this like huge document where they know all about it but we've24:22really only teased in season one just a little bit of it so we start to really go into this bigger world about what the24:29up side-down is what it means what its significance is what exists in it24:35whether or not it it has sort of sentience or like what it you know what24:40it's there to do and that's like exciting so we have like a rip-roaring24:47story for season two and yet we also are24:52able to start to like get even bigger and so there are things that are gonna24:57pay off like way further down the line and also like we're able to go a lot further into character which I'm really25:03excited about like hopper starts to get to reveal a lot more things about25:08himself and a lot more a lot more of really who he is which we started to25:14touch on and we start to see with his daughter and like you know his sort of reemergence into like becoming a man25:20again and like sort of reawakening but we start to sort of see more about who he is as a man in this season and that's25:26really exciting and also like I know a lot of the payoff if we're able to continue and do more seasons in terms of25:32where he's going so it's really fun you know it's it's a really fun world to25:38play and it's really exciting and it's amazing to be able to get to do something that is so exciting25:44cinematically and sci-fi and like monster movie and also has such heart to it and such soul and I feel like you25:52know are you so rarely you get that both those things in a TV show like you either get one or the other and I like25:58both of those things but when you put them together like it's just it's just like a dream come true it's a great it's26:04a great experience yes26:09yeah get some wasn't there before26:16might be my and my Internet's not so great something say it's okay it's going26:22down that was weird but yeah like when when the season ended like my concern was is are they self-contained seasons26:29where okay is it going to be a new slicking almost like an anthology we each season boo and I would hate to see26:35the characters go away because everyone that you guys all did such an awesome job and and you know what these26:41characters well they're adults and way the adults are so wonderfully broken yeah exactly yeah that's my whole thing26:49is like we're all you know I like to play guys you know I'm TV I think you26:55see a lot of heroic individuals or people that are so capable even in these comic book universes and stuff and I27:01really like to play people like myself that are broken and messed up and you know we're just trying to get by but who27:08are able to sort of take heroic actions amidst that and kind of grow and so that's been really exciting27:14um and you know it was originally structured we didn't know whether we'd27:19have be an anthology like American Horror Story or something where people play different roles and you do different things but I think we are so27:26in love with the characters and I think people fall in love with the characters and the writers and the dumpers and27:32everything too that we didn't want to let them go and like we want to explore them and there is so much more to27:37explore with these people so I think season will still have its own self-contained nature like you'll still27:43see a story and you'll be satisfied at the end but you'll still start to27:48unravel these characters more and more so so they can pay off further and further down the line and that's you27:55know so you have the kind of best of both worlds if you see me laughing or whatever it's because I'm kind of like poking around in a chat to someone else28:01someone else a great question I gotta ask what was your favorite hopper punch28:06yeah yeah I love them all so much I love them all so much I mean you know it was28:13funny like the one that we really kind of defined the character as was there's28:19the one where I go in the morgue and the guy won't let me in and I say like I28:24make up some excuse about like no I know ban and a mullah and he goes like I don't work for him and I just instead of28:30saying something I just pop him and I we you know we actually talked I think at one point the conversation with Netflix28:36was like Kent hopper like outsmart this guy like isn't there something that he can do that's like charming or28:43intelligent and they were like no it's just funny man he just punches people that began the whole hopper punch thing28:50and I love that about him is like he just gets frustrated at a certain point he's just gotta pop people so I think28:56that was my favorite the one in the morgue thank you for the question yeah I thought that was pretty funny I thought we would29:03never see you like have you guys even seen the character have you read it like we base them on iconic things like29:09Indiana Jones who like you know that great sequence where the sword guy comes out and prays law started doing all this29:15stuff and he just pulls a gun and shoots him like like that were that we loved in those older movies so we wanted to bring29:22some of that to him just that brute you know funny way of approaching a situation so so one of our patreon 7d29:31system has a question for you that uh oh thank you for the Tammy thank you so29:36much for the super chat much appreciated asked was there any was29:43there any resistance to putting D&D into the narrative of the story from from anyone um I don't think so it was sort29:53of integral to the whole thing because it was an 80's based story and uh and I29:59think because these guys are such fans of like horror and fantasy worlds and that's what our world is and because30:06it's a way that these kids interpret the sci-fi insanity that's going on around them and will continue to in season two30:13like they continue to you know it's sort of a fun thing for these characters to30:19have this world that you know the adults are all like this is crazy what are you talking about and they're like no no we30:25understand this like this is where we live and so there wasn't really resistance it was all you know it was30:32all sort of integral to the story and I don't think the story would work without it so you're getting a lot at you're30:38getting a lot of love in in the chat right now he awesome and they absolutely30:44love the hybrid monster yeah I love him - I love him too he's so funny so weird30:51strange kind of fat love him because30:56he's like a real dude they now Marcus is31:02Newark he's got a Dean die and Dean the eyes popper we could absolutely do that I bring that up yeah I wonder what is31:11armored glasses and his hip stuff you know what's funny there was uh there's a game31:17there's just came hearthstone that Blizzard puts out where they have like cards and stuff and a couple fans put31:23out some hearthstone cards and chief hopper had one and he wasn't that powerful I was a little bit disappointed31:29I feel like I'm gonna get sober for successive seasons so you can get a little bit stronger up his hit points31:34his saving throws and stuff it would be really fun to see a campaign I saw some art online too where they they mapped31:41out like 11 as a mage character like Lucas is like a thief character will as31:48as the wizard as like a fireball with throwing wizard and all these do it would be really fun to see people like31:55take that to the extreme and see how you could create a stranger things campaign I've seen people do like little video32:02games I've even seen people do like those choose-your-own-adventure old books they write like certain chapters32:09from that and it's like if you decide to do this like turn to page this so it would be really cool to see a stranger32:15things campaign for season one that would be really fun I would be tweet me that if you guys have ideas about that32:21that's that's a great idea that could be thing we might do make that happen so there's a couple character ideas32:26popping up rock hopper rock what do you guys got let me see we got drunk drunken master yeah and we32:34have a gunslinger nice both those apply very well so I don't know like how much32:41of a Redemption arc I would really want to see with hopper like I don't know if I want the character to change barbarian was popping up yeah I like all it's them32:51no it's true I mean you know I think that like I think hopper at the end of32:58the day does have an unresolved tragedy in his life and I don't want that ever33:03to be played down or ever to be completely resolved and while he does have a reawakening at the end of that33:10season when he saves will his daughter is still dead and he still has a lot of33:16remorse and guilt about that which you'll start to understand more of as the seasons go on and that stuff is real33:21that stuff never goes away and you can't just make himself feel better so I don't want complete redemption for33:27operators they're also talking about different feats tavern brawl you're33:34absolutely right Tamara where is a P in fifth edition that basically lets you attack unarmed and be better I'd also33:40use improvised weapons yeah especially when he has a couple beers in him33:45absolutely yes I'll buy like what eight nine in the morning exactly exactly very early on raft he33:54brushes his teeth he started to drink it yeah the eighties nostalgia in that34:00movie was so good plus and all the throw backs to them from you know from film and TV at that time as well yeah I love34:08that era I mean I think that we you know all the movie it kind of came out of34:13that era and all the yeah even the television shows like even stuff like34:20Columbo is looking back like different shows and stuff I just love that era I think it was a really kind of a golden34:25age for movies and TV and so we're trying to recapture some of that by using so the same lexicon while telling34:32an original story and I think that's just it's so fun to be a part of that34:38well what kind of music are you into a different direction here me I'm into34:44like all kinds like I I'm not a huge34:49like music music guy like my thing has always been pros like I've always been much more instant books and interested34:55in like reading but in terms of music like I like everything from like you know teeny bopper silly pop songs and35:03then all the way down to like I love Dylan I love Joni Mitchell I love like Jim35:09Croce I love Simon & Garfunkel I love a lot of old folk stuff as well35:15I'm not really into like rap and hip-hop and stuff like that although I admire35:21like a lot of the technique but it's just not really my thing I like more melodic stuff but yeah I'm kind of all35:27over the map I have a very terrible taste like you know I like a nice Carly Rae Jepsen song every now and again I35:33don't have like a good Bob Dylan taste as well so I'm all over the map nice so I always I always jokingly tell35:42these guys in different videos I'm like a late 80s Early 90s was like the peak of human civilization we can probably35:49just end it now yeah I kind of agree except for fashion choices maybe man35:56late eighties fashion whoo that stuff's pretty grim yeah yeah yeah it was kind36:01of I gotta keep my hair so damn long it's crazy it's like really annoying in36:09the summer in the 80s we had parachute pants and New Yorkers yeah exactly36:16MC Hammer that stuff yeah a good time for fashion but it I was more into like36:21heavy metal yeah I still listen to all that stuff anthrax and Judas Priest yeah I mean I love the original Black Sabbath36:28album is like I think one of the greatest albums of all time that there's some great metal stuff that I love so36:40you said you know you have to travel back and forth a lot you also said you36:46guys before we started you had some questions for me so if there's anything you want to throw36:52out there yeah no I was just curious about that Demma goring concept in terms of like what monsters you think fit with36:59that like other demon Lords or other like but I guess like and it's so funny37:04like my my interest in the slide or those reptilian creatures but I guess those guys are not on the same plane as37:10the demon Lords right yeah not really but they're on their own thing but you37:15know now like was that an easter egg oh37:21no III really I don't know about no it's not an easter egg but I just loved that37:27that world of like limbo where it's like chaotic neutral like I love the idea of37:33a chaotic world that's neutral as well but that is not a season two spoiler i I37:39just myself am fascinated by that stuff but I've had various in terms of the37:45theories because I see a lot of theories floating around about what that new spider monster might be that you see in37:50the distance what that Bay you know Red Storm creature might be and you know I was just curious in terms of37:57your D&D expertise if you if you know of any like who's above the demo Gorgon38:02like who's the ultimate ruler of the the hell realm or whatever the realm is so38:09in hell like if you had to pick an ultimate ruler it'd be Asmodeus like it's really easy house easy because38:15they're very organized okay right but but the abyss is a lot harder because38:21they all have their own like place yeah yeah because because there's no rhyme or reason everyone is always fighting for38:28power over everyone else and that's the same in hell but in hell there's a structure right and you have to work38:33your way through the ranks and and you know you kind of know where you are and you know who you have to beat but in38:39hell there's no rules of engagement it's you know it's a free-for-all I mean I know in in the best it's a free-for-all38:45so it's every man for himself and however you can make it happen alright interesting so yes so they I mean they38:53did drop the fissile Hydra right you know so that's that's a clue somewhere as I'm sure38:58and then then there is like are they really going by D&D mythology at all anyway and they just throwing stuff out39:04there right exactly exactly well you guys will have to find out I can't I39:11can't say anything else but it is it will be very exciting to see what you discover on season 2 what39:18we're up against it's pretty gnarly stuff oh yeah I was you my wife watched39:25the whole series the her and the kids watched it together just before the cruise they they were they were prepping39:32yeah it's a funny show where it's like kids can enjoy it like kids are like 13 and then like people that are like in39:39their sixties come up to me on the street and say they love it and like men and women you know it's got like it's39:44got so many different colors to it that I think everyone can find sort of an into the show and I'm really proud of39:50that um so what's adding the spiders are red herring so the spiders are red39:56herring yeah yeah we will see ladies and we will see if it's a red herring so and40:04then we're gonna have we're gonna have to de-ice hopper and then what we did at you so you can check40:10it out do we do we do a bunch of different uh fictional characters a lot of superheroes and oh cool and you know40:18different things from literature people you know people suggest them and if it's something we're familiar with will40:24absolutely do it they always try to get us to like video games and anime that we don't watch well I hope I have high40:32stats but thank you man I gotta take off40:37I'm running late but uh it's good talking to you that was really fun thank40:42you chat good thank you guys for watching and I hope you guys enjoy season 2 and thanks for all the hopper40:49love absolutely thanks for taking time out and hanging with us and you know40:54ever staying off for so long I know you said 20 minutes but I got like double no really not into it I love it I41:01appreciate it very much David thank you brother take care you know you guys out there until next time stay nerdy[/SPOILER]</blockquote>

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