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hey guys they from the urkki for nerds by nerds and today I'm hanging out with a celebrity nerd named in harbor and
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we're gonna be just you know shooting the [ __ ] talking about D&D I got him for
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for a brief window here so like I was just telling him I was just telling
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David off-air that I found out that he plays Dean Dee because we did the fantasy cruise we've given away a cabin
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and it was so cool because one of our winners had gotten picked it as asked a
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question and she had asked the kids about if they had ever played D&D and her like no but we were kind of
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interesting when we check it out you know maybe they were maybe they weren't but David threw them all under the
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busses like I play a game every I don't know if he said you play the game every week or you run a game every week but
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you had threw out an invitation for him to play some day and day yeah exactly yeah I ran a campaign I was at the
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Emperor campaign this was like a couple years ago though because my schedule got so busy we had to and like all my
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friends have like weird schedules and so we we started and we were actually doing Pathfinder you ever you planning a
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Pathfinder a little bit that was like a weird time for us where you know 50 or
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they went in the fourth edition we played a little bit of that and Emily were in ER we just got into a super
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girls kick and we totally went in the mutants of masterminds okay and by the time we were coming back the addition
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was coming out and as as the old the older I get the less I want crunch and
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the more rules light systems I tend to go towards now wait you you like more
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rules light systems I do I do actually which is just more freeform like more I
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think think a D and E versus yeah Pathfinder okay yeah yeah I mean cuz we started up
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cuz I hadn't played in years and my friends were like apparently the new system at that point wasn't very good or
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people weren't happy with it they thought it had been more action-oriented or it sort of went along with World of
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Warcraft or something they weren't happy with the D&D system at the time and he said Pathfinder was better so we started
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like getting all those books and like starting a campaign but it was crazy man like I got
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tremendous respect for a good Dungeon Master which I am NOT because it is a very hard job because maybe it's cuz my
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friends are all jerks or something but like you set up this entire campaign and you're trying to guide them toward a
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certain action then like all they want to do is like go explore some kind of drama with some orc in the corner of the
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tavern Ursula and I have to like come up with a whole new mugging plan for them and it's uh it was awful it was quite a
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disaster and also like the idea that like as an actor I mean you're constantly trying to play characters but
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as a DM you're basically playing like a thousand characters like just sort of doing all the voices and all this stuff
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and so I have great respect for people that are able to do that sophisticatedly
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because I was not one of those people yeah Brian's gates in the chat there DM
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is like herding cats exactly that's a lot of stuff we try and touch on on our channel too is like this whole idea of
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writing out these elaborate campaigns and and mapping everything out for players is a waste your time because
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it's because as soon as you as soon as everyone hits the table you might as well dump some gasoline on your notes
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and throw match I didn't realize that but that isn't it you know what it's
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it's it's what we all have to learn and go through and really like this is like Golden Age for playing role-playing
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games like just like me I'm sure you will start when you're younger and there is no resources like
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you know maybe a friend had an older brother you know or a sister that played and that's how you started yeah we had
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like I was in kind of um I guess it was like fifth grade or fourth grade we had like an advanced placement teacher we
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take like eight courses with him and he ran a campaign after school for like
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three hours on Thursday afternoons I think our parents who pay like I don't know like 50 bucks a month for us to
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play in this campaign and that's where I really fell in love with it he was really good like he would come up with his own campaigns and like you know we
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got to multi class and like come up with sort of minions and he had all these different ideas so that's where I really
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fell in love with it that was really my beginnings that was the old system in that was the
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advanced D&D system the old Gary Gygax like the old monster manual and so I
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actually got a reprint of that stuff a couple years ago there's like some
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reprints of the original systems like deities and demigods that book and the
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monster the old monster manual the old dm's guide the old player's guide and those are great like I love all the old
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art in them like all the weird drawing some one that will be really good some of they'll be really horrible and all
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the different gods in the way where they went into it it was you know it's a really cool game what actually one of
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the guys that was on the cruise and we actually met him there he actually lives in your hometown now Brian Stoneman he
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did the plastic galaxy documentary about Star Wars collectibles and action
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figures but he's currently working on AI of the beholder the art of day and day oh wow yeah I think we're expecting it
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out sometime next year but yeah that might be right up your alley and he's like you know he's interviewing every all the artists from
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you know the original game all the way up to the current edition wow that's
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super cool yeah I used to love all those old drawings and like that stuff was so
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great yeah yeah you oh you know you
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always hear these all these great stories about you know people talking about the art people buying the books
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and not even know what the game is they just you know it was the only place for them to get a book of monsters like that
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yeah yeah I felt like you know it was super cool about those old games too which I don't know if it exists so much
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because I feel like now games are based much more in action but what I really loved about the old D&D games were like
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the emotional connections or the relationship connections or just like hanging out in a tavern and like doing
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weird story stuff that wasn't based on like you know killing monsters and so
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when you did kill a monster was maybe like 30% of the campaign but most of the campaign was spent like negotiating your
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histories with various races and like your tensions and even like political
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tensions and things like that which I think it's so much more unique about a game like methan you know I feel like a
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lot of stuff has gone into video games now where it's like all action and there's so little of that you know I felt like
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D&D was such a human game in that way like you could really explore personalities of character and stuff and
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so I love that aspect of the game yeah in one of the last sessions I ran a
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couple of my characters had kind of like been taken in by this old widow and they
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like returned from town from one of their adventures to the news that she'd passed away and her like trying to think
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of like all this in-game stuff they can do but it just turned out she was old you know so they have to you know they
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end up inheriting this state and they have to do a funeral and of course you know I had like demons and stuff show up
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and zombie show up in the funeral because but yeah it's that kind of stuff that is a you know a lot of fun that we
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can introduce into the game the human element interacting with people telling
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these these cooperative stories and I feel like now more than ever like when I
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used to play growing up as a teenager in a tween you would have that DM like like
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you're talking about would that would plot everything out for you and just kind of go along with that story but it really has evolved from from that
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point where we all share the story and kind of create it together yeah and I
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love the like I love the complexity of the world because there's um you know even with the gods and the different
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planes like you know limbo on the chaotic neutral side and then there's
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like that mechanistic ordered world on the neutral side and then there's like Hades and all these different like the
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mythos is so wide and huge and I always found that fascinating like with always
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some little aspect that you can go into that you had known about and there's just so much lore there it was so cool
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so I I thought I had let the guys on on our patron oh you'd be coming on and so
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I said if it had any questions and we could get to them or whatever and her D&D related I would throw them out there
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so Tom Donovan wanted to know what we from pre third edition what was your
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favorite class or archetype of character to play I mean I guess when I first
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started playing I love the cleric class um you know I I
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think it's such a I guess it's different than a paladin but it's something where it's like these guys who would just you
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know carry like a book and a mace and had like healing spells and stuff I got kind of where warriors of the light and
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I like the whole religious mythos of those guys and sort of their passion and and I also love the idea of those guys
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where they couldn't party with like evil members or like even neutral members they had personality issues with like if
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you weren't on that sort of team with the cleric like he'd have a lot of issues with you so I like that
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complexity with them but I really was like a um a cleric guy or like a warrior
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guy I never really got into the like mage class the wizard class or the
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theit's class like I always felt like they were too sort of weak in the beginning like they would just
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ultimately get slaughtered until they got to higher levels and they would just destroy things but like when they were
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they always had like eight hit points or something and they'd always get killed immediately so I was never into like those classes yeah whatever
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one of the guys we used to play with you stories talk about his necromancer of Doom and he was like a fourth or fifth
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level wizard you know but we finished that game any of like 15 hit points guys
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are like glass cannons I always hated those good fifth edition is a little
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more forgiving it's got a little bit easier they they give them a few more hit points and and they have you know
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more spells that they can cast regarding like back in the day you cast you cast magic missile which is probably gonna be
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your one star and like you were done for the day yeah or like burning hands was like another one right and then you were
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like you had like two spells a day or something then you had to go study your books yeah they seemed wildly
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inefficient as opposed to some guy with a mace who I you know who could really like take action yeah the earlier
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addition dishes was really tough for getting that wizard off the levels but then once you got there you were like a
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god mm-hmm and I feel like I feel like especially early on like dragon lands
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did a lot for characters one the play Wizards Raceland Machir yeah and his brother was
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like the warrior right yep and here that all's yeah I remember I read all those books those Margaret Weis
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and Tracy Hicks books or whatever dragons of autumn something and Dragons of spring something yeah those books
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were great and the Raceland was a really cool character yeah yeah that is probably that's probably the second
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series I read after of Lord of the Rings yeah and did they had their own campaign
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in the D&D universe as well like they came out with the the sort of Dragonlance campaign right they did have
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one it had one of the best covers I think in the in the game for a for a while and then you keep referencing the
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cleric and Deedee's and demigods was like what am i probably that's my favorite book to flip through yeah I
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love those like all those I still can look through those different Norma thought oh jeez like the Norse gods and
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the Egyptian gods and on stuff and I loved the art of those things and that
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was great when like we'd sometime start campaigns where you characters would be like level 30 or something and they'd
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all like fight like Odin and so it was all ridiculous like it didn't have any sort of grounding but like the idea that
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like Odin had like 400 hit points and like certain kind of savings then you'd go up against him like I love that sort
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of stuff too that was super cool right and in that book there was only like five gods that had straight twenty fives
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for their stats and it was like Odin and Zeus and I don't remember what the other three were but you know it is very
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limited and of course as nerds like it goes back to are you familiar with Noah
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at Wyler no spoonie well he's another he's a comedian and YouTube personality
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but yeah is yeah he's kind of known for saying if you stat it don't kill it and
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that's exactly the truth because you know you can't put Cthulhu stats out
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anywhere because then the players are looking looking to kill them right exactly
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yeah exactly how long did you play Pathfinder for um we played for like six
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months you know and we got this book like there's a campaign book called rise of the rune Lords which is like a pretty
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specified like campaign and so that's the camp we played we had all the books and
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everything but then I went through systematically like the rise of the rune Lords thing and that was the thing where I kept trying to steer my characters to
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play this version like they had to go fight these orcs and these things and like they never would they'd always just
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wind up like staying in the end and deciding to go to some city that I didn't know anything about like either but that campaign that campaign is
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pretty cool and like I remember in Chapter two there was like these haunt
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things where like your character goes into this house and like they'd be haunted by various figures and I thought
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that was a really cool mechanic like they all had specific psychological haunts that would affect them in combat
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and stuff like that and it was a really detailed interesting world but we we
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only got to explore like a little bit of it and then all our schedule sort of got messed up it also did sound like your
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players were interested in staying yeah yeah exactly yeah they wouldn't fight the monsters
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that I want them to fight it was the point that's great no no good no good
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gaming session survives first contact with the players this is the way it is
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what was it what was it like for stranger things that have so much Obama revolving around a indeed for you like
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did you know that going in yeah because when I first read the script like you
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know one of the first scenes is all those kids in the basement playing D&D and you know the duffer's are like big
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D&D nerds and I I am as well and so like even you know it's funny because we had
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a conversation on set where I didn't I forgot that the demagogue in was an
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actual monster in the Monster Manual like I thought they were confusing it
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with some other demon guy and they brought it up like they brought in the
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man who only had the page and they were like no look here the stats and everything and like the demo Gorgon is
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an actual he is an actual demon like he huh he's in like the nine plains of Hell
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or something now their best yep he was just recently featured in one of the
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newer modules actually called out of the best okay that like the plains of Hades where
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those guys the Devils exist so Devils are how okay and demons are the abyss
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and is the abyss neutral or evil evil and they're both evil just what is chaos
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and evil and one is lawful and evil okay so which is lawful and evil the hell
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realm ooh yeah yeah Devils teeth tend to
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be more about corrupting people through choice where you know where demons are
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just all-out evil yeah that this module was really interesting in that it features a lot of the demon Lords and I
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think at one point like they all fight oh that's cool and like I think the
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players kind of have to like survive the fighting of the demons yeah I got really into in terms of those planes and stuff
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I'm really kind of interested in this skull what is it this slab or the limbo plane that's like a sonic neutral or
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whatever where like gravity doesn't exist those will rear reptilian beings that like the slab is that what they're
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called they're the SCAD or something to slam it yeah they are like these frog demons that that they didn't have a limo
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and limbo is what do they call it the howling plane that so yeah the new
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Monster Manual right here and they're also the new monster manuals are the new books really they really had the feel of
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the the old books because the pages are falling out of them just like late night in the second printing of the first
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edition yeah there's the death sled like those are like the higher ones right and
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there's like red and blue and yeah yeah
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I just like a place of like chaotic neutral like this idea that it's not
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good or bad it's just complete chaos like it has no I love that realm but
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it's like my question for you would be like in terms of because you sort of put characters together right we do all
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kinds of stuff so in of like a demagogue in-world or a demagogue and campaign like let's talk
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about stranger things is like a demo gorgon campaign like you have a party that fights like the last boss is like a
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demo gorgon right so I'd be curious to hear your theories cuz I'm not gonna
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tell you anything but your theories in terms of in the next campaign if these
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characters were to fight other creatures from that world what would be a step up
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from the demagogue on like what would be another monster that might or another devil that might inhabit the universe of
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that demagogue and it might be period to him or a general of his or like what
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what would you put in that campaign well for one I don't know what the hell those kids are gonna do if it's a step up from
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you know the creature from the upside down because that thing was pretty nasty of its own we actually do a series where
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we where we D&D eyes monsters and we did do the creature from the upside down
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well you did absolutely yeah I don't actually remember what we did at
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this point though because it was right after we had been binge watched stranger things
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but yeah so so it's definitely like the upside down is like this kind of like shadow roam right joins you know this
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world the prime Material Plane which I loved like the you know the the teacher yo explaining to the kids how this all
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works like in theory and they're actually like doing this yeah so so like
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you can even turn out right the creature from the upside down isn't like anything but maybe there's more of them so so it
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could be you know the whole race of them obviously like shat like so this is this plane its shadow you know 11 is
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obviously psychic so that and that's what drew the creature so there must be some kind of
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psychic connection right with them and you know maybe yeah it could even be
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that like maybe there are like a hive mind which would be pretty wild and
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crazy I can reveal nothing to you but I
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I actually have no theories I just go in enjoy it I am and I'm also like the
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worst movie critic because I don't cuz I because I have like no taste like I just watch enjoy be more like that's that
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movie was terrible I don't know I liked it yeah did you see yeah did you see the
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trailer for season 2 the Superbowl trailer let's say you know I don't know
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if I did or not there's uh um they it's it was like a little trailer we put out for the Superbowl it just has like
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little clips of this season different things that we have and there's one where we'll is standing at a doorway and
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as he looks out the doorway the sky glows red and there are these lightning strikes and you see this like enormous
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like spider looking being out there in the distance so there is this entity
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that we kind of revealed that that exists in this world and uh you know
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people have been speculating unlike whether or not it has to do with the these'll Hydra talked about in last
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season at the end of last season or or what it really is but um but that's just
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interesting to me in terms of the lore of D&D like what what cuz the demagogue
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in in dungeons dragons is like a devil right like he's a demon mm-hmm and so
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you have like other ranks of demons right do you remember like where the demagogue and fits in those ranks like
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you thought he was pretty high up he ever Corrigan Demi Corrigan and orcas were two rivals and they're like the top
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okay what's orcas orcas is like orcas is just another demon lord and like his
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purview is on death and undead okay lord of ghouls someone's dropping the theory
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of loft in the chat wow what is that Spider Queen right yes yes yeah I
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remember fighting loft when I was a kid yeah I locked the Spider Queen I mean I
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don't know man like that thing if you've seen the trailer that thing looks a little bigger than law but but I like I
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like what it does it does have a spider like quality to it yeah it's pretty pretty freaky well in in previous editions loft was
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just one of the demon Lords oh really I heard - was like a spider queen or something no she was actually yes she
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eventually they eventually elevated her to a god she's one of the Susan's the god of the drow right right right okay
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yeah so I actually I'm pretty sure I did see the trailer but I just data dumps since then right right right yeah my
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brain is like now the new Star Wars trailer or the Ragnarok you're right
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there's a lot of about there well what are you excited for I mean in terms of
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this season man it's gonna be great like I'm really excited for you guys to see it we really have kind of like upped our
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game in terms of the world expanding and
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there's a lot of new mysteries that were able to start to play out in this season
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like we you know we didn't know that we'd be a hit show like we were making a season last year and we didn't even know
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if we get a season two we didn't know if people would like it so you know we had our story sort of self-contained with
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these little pieces of cliffhangers like Elevens Rhian sand you know hoppers sort
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of in with the the lab sort of stuff so
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but we didn't know how big our series would be so in terms of this season we're able to know that we have I think
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a couple more seasons ahead of us and so we start to create a really broader palette I mean it related to D&D it's
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like if you have a campaign right and suddenly your campaign is like alright I can start to lay in this pipe that won't
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be completely solved by the end of season two I can start to lay in these
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characters or these monsters or these beings for these things that won't pay off until further down the road and so
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they're creating we're creating our own sort of mythos around this universe and
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the brothers have this document about the upside down this like huge document where they know all about it but we've
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really only teased in season one just a little bit of it so we start to really go into this bigger world about what the
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up side-down is what it means what its significance is what exists in it
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whether or not it it has sort of sentience or like what it you know what
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it's there to do and that's like exciting so we have like a rip-roaring
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story for season two and yet we also are
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able to start to like get even bigger and so there are things that are gonna
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pay off like way further down the line and also like we're able to go a lot further into character which I'm really
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excited about like hopper starts to get to reveal a lot more things about
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himself and a lot more a lot more of really who he is which we started to
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touch on and we start to see with his daughter and like you know his sort of reemergence into like becoming a man
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again and like sort of reawakening but we start to sort of see more about who he is as a man in this season and that's
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really exciting and also like I know a lot of the payoff if we're able to continue and do more seasons in terms of
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where he's going so it's really fun you know it's it's a really fun world to
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play and it's really exciting and it's amazing to be able to get to do something that is so exciting
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cinematically and sci-fi and like monster movie and also has such heart to it and such soul and I feel like you
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know are you so rarely you get that both those things in a TV show like you either get one or the other and I like
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both of those things but when you put them together like it's just it's just like a dream come true it's a great it's
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a great experience yes
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yeah get some wasn't there before
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might be my and my Internet's not so great something say it's okay it's going
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down that was weird but yeah like when when the season ended like my concern was is are they self-contained seasons
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where okay is it going to be a new slicking almost like an anthology we each season boo and I would hate to see
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the characters go away because everyone that you guys all did such an awesome job and and you know what these
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characters well they're adults and way the adults are so wonderfully broken yeah exactly yeah that's my whole thing
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is like we're all you know I like to play guys you know I'm TV I think you
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see a lot of heroic individuals or people that are so capable even in these comic book universes and stuff and I
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really like to play people like myself that are broken and messed up and you know we're just trying to get by but who
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are able to sort of take heroic actions amidst that and kind of grow and so that's been really exciting
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um and you know it was originally structured we didn't know whether we'd
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have be an anthology like American Horror Story or something where people play different roles and you do different things but I think we are so
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in love with the characters and I think people fall in love with the characters and the writers and the dumpers and
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everything too that we didn't want to let them go and like we want to explore them and there is so much more to
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explore with these people so I think season will still have its own self-contained nature like you'll still
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see a story and you'll be satisfied at the end but you'll still start to
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unravel these characters more and more so so they can pay off further and further down the line and that's you
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know so you have the kind of best of both worlds if you see me laughing or whatever it's because I'm kind of like poking around in a chat to someone else
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someone else a great question I gotta ask what was your favorite hopper punch
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yeah yeah I love them all so much I love them all so much I mean you know it was
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funny like the one that we really kind of defined the character as was there's
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the one where I go in the morgue and the guy won't let me in and I say like I
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make up some excuse about like no I know ban and a mullah and he goes like I don't work for him and I just instead of
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saying something I just pop him and I we you know we actually talked I think at one point the conversation with Netflix
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was like Kent hopper like outsmart this guy like isn't there something that he can do that's like charming or
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intelligent and they were like no it's just funny man he just punches people that began the whole hopper punch thing
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and I love that about him is like he just gets frustrated at a certain point he's just gotta pop people so I think
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that was my favorite the one in the morgue thank you for the question yeah I thought that was pretty funny I thought we would
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never see you like have you guys even seen the character have you read it like we base them on iconic things like
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Indiana Jones who like you know that great sequence where the sword guy comes out and prays law started doing all this
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stuff and he just pulls a gun and shoots him like like that were that we loved in those older movies so we wanted to bring
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some of that to him just that brute you know funny way of approaching a situation so so one of our patreon 7d
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system has a question for you that uh oh thank you for the Tammy thank you so
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much for the super chat much appreciated asked was there any was
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there any resistance to putting D&D into the narrative of the story from from anyone um I don't think so it was sort
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of integral to the whole thing because it was an 80's based story and uh and I
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think because these guys are such fans of like horror and fantasy worlds and that's what our world is and because
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it's a way that these kids interpret the sci-fi insanity that's going on around them and will continue to in season two
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like they continue to you know it's sort of a fun thing for these characters to
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have this world that you know the adults are all like this is crazy what are you talking about and they're like no no we
30:25
understand this like this is where we live and so there wasn't really resistance it was all you know it was
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all sort of integral to the story and I don't think the story would work without it so you're getting a lot at you're
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getting a lot of love in in the chat right now he awesome and they absolutely
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love the hybrid monster yeah I love him - I love him too he's so funny so weird
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strange kind of fat love him because
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he's like a real dude they now Marcus is
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Newark he's got a Dean die and Dean the eyes popper we could absolutely do that I bring that up yeah I wonder what is
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armored glasses and his hip stuff you know what's funny there was uh there's a game
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there's just came hearthstone that Blizzard puts out where they have like cards and stuff and a couple fans put
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out some hearthstone cards and chief hopper had one and he wasn't that powerful I was a little bit disappointed
31:29
I feel like I'm gonna get sober for successive seasons so you can get a little bit stronger up his hit points
31:34
his saving throws and stuff it would be really fun to see a campaign I saw some art online too where they they mapped
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out like 11 as a mage character like Lucas is like a thief character will as
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as the wizard as like a fireball with throwing wizard and all these do it would be really fun to see people like
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take that to the extreme and see how you could create a stranger things campaign I've seen people do like little video
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games I've even seen people do like those choose-your-own-adventure old books they write like certain chapters
32:09
from that and it's like if you decide to do this like turn to page this so it would be really cool to see a stranger
32:15
things campaign for season one that would be really fun I would be tweet me that if you guys have ideas about that
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that's that's a great idea that could be thing we might do make that happen so there's a couple character ideas
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popping up rock hopper rock what do you guys got let me see we got drunk drunken master yeah and we
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have a gunslinger nice both those apply very well so I don't know like how much
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of a Redemption arc I would really want to see with hopper like I don't know if I want the character to change barbarian was popping up yeah I like all it's them
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no it's true I mean you know I think that like I think hopper at the end of
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the day does have an unresolved tragedy in his life and I don't want that ever
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to be played down or ever to be completely resolved and while he does have a reawakening at the end of that
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season when he saves will his daughter is still dead and he still has a lot of
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remorse and guilt about that which you'll start to understand more of as the seasons go on and that stuff is real
33:21
that stuff never goes away and you can't just make himself feel better so I don't want complete redemption for
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operators they're also talking about different feats tavern brawl you're
33:34
absolutely right Tamara where is a P in fifth edition that basically lets you attack unarmed and be better I'd also
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use improvised weapons yeah especially when he has a couple beers in him
33:45
absolutely yes I'll buy like what eight nine in the morning exactly exactly very early on raft he
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brushes his teeth he started to drink it yeah the eighties nostalgia in that
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movie was so good plus and all the throw backs to them from you know from film and TV at that time as well yeah I love
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that era I mean I think that we you know all the movie it kind of came out of
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that era and all the yeah even the television shows like even stuff like
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Columbo is looking back like different shows and stuff I just love that era I think it was a really kind of a golden
34:25
age for movies and TV and so we're trying to recapture some of that by using so the same lexicon while telling
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an original story and I think that's just it's so fun to be a part of that
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well what kind of music are you into a different direction here me I'm into
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like all kinds like I I'm not a huge
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like music music guy like my thing has always been pros like I've always been much more instant books and interested
34:55
in like reading but in terms of music like I like everything from like you know teeny bopper silly pop songs and
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then all the way down to like I love Dylan I love Joni Mitchell I love like Jim
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Croce I love Simon & Garfunkel I love a lot of old folk stuff as well
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I'm not really into like rap and hip-hop and stuff like that although I admire
35:21
like a lot of the technique but it's just not really my thing I like more melodic stuff but yeah I'm kind of all
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over the map I have a very terrible taste like you know I like a nice Carly Rae Jepsen song every now and again I
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don't have like a good Bob Dylan taste as well so I'm all over the map nice so I always I always jokingly tell
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these guys in different videos I'm like a late 80s Early 90s was like the peak of human civilization we can probably
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just end it now yeah I kind of agree except for fashion choices maybe man
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late eighties fashion whoo that stuff's pretty grim yeah yeah yeah it was kind
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of I gotta keep my hair so damn long it's crazy it's like really annoying in
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the summer in the 80s we had parachute pants and New Yorkers yeah exactly
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MC Hammer that stuff yeah a good time for fashion but it I was more into like
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heavy metal yeah I still listen to all that stuff anthrax and Judas Priest yeah I mean I love the original Black Sabbath
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album is like I think one of the greatest albums of all time that there's some great metal stuff that I love so
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you said you know you have to travel back and forth a lot you also said you
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guys before we started you had some questions for me so if there's anything you want to throw
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out there yeah no I was just curious about that Demma goring concept in terms of like what monsters you think fit with
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that like other demon Lords or other like but I guess like and it's so funny
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like my my interest in the slide or those reptilian creatures but I guess those guys are not on the same plane as
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the demon Lords right yeah not really but they're on their own thing but you
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know now like was that an easter egg oh
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no III really I don't know about no it's not an easter egg but I just loved that
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that world of like limbo where it's like chaotic neutral like I love the idea of
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a chaotic world that's neutral as well but that is not a season two spoiler i I
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just myself am fascinated by that stuff but I've had various in terms of the
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theories because I see a lot of theories floating around about what that new spider monster might be that you see in
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the distance what that Bay you know Red Storm creature might be and you know I was just curious in terms of
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your D&D expertise if you if you know of any like who's above the demo Gorgon
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like who's the ultimate ruler of the the hell realm or whatever the realm is so
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in hell like if you had to pick an ultimate ruler it'd be Asmodeus like it's really easy house easy because
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they're very organized okay right but but the abyss is a lot harder because
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they all have their own like place yeah yeah because because there's no rhyme or reason everyone is always fighting for
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power over everyone else and that's the same in hell but in hell there's a structure right and you have to work
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your way through the ranks and and you know you kind of know where you are and you know who you have to beat but in
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hell there's no rules of engagement it's you know it's a free-for-all I mean I know in in the best it's a free-for-all
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so it's every man for himself and however you can make it happen alright interesting so yes so they I mean they
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did drop the fissile Hydra right you know so that's that's a clue somewhere as I'm sure
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and then then there is like are they really going by D&D mythology at all anyway and they just throwing stuff out
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there right exactly exactly well you guys will have to find out I can't I
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can't say anything else but it is it will be very exciting to see what you discover on season 2 what
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we're up against it's pretty gnarly stuff oh yeah I was you my wife watched
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the whole series the her and the kids watched it together just before the cruise they they were they were prepping
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yeah it's a funny show where it's like kids can enjoy it like kids are like 13 and then like people that are like in
39:39
their sixties come up to me on the street and say they love it and like men and women you know it's got like it's
39:44
got so many different colors to it that I think everyone can find sort of an into the show and I'm really proud of
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that um so what's adding the spiders are red herring so the spiders are red
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herring yeah yeah we will see ladies and we will see if it's a red herring so and
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then we're gonna have we're gonna have to de-ice hopper and then what we did at you so you can check
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it out do we do we do a bunch of different uh fictional characters a lot of superheroes and oh cool and you know
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different things from literature people you know people suggest them and if it's something we're familiar with will
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absolutely do it they always try to get us to like video games and anime that we don't watch well I hope I have high
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stats but thank you man I gotta take off
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I'm running late but uh it's good talking to you that was really fun thank
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you chat good thank you guys for watching and I hope you guys enjoy season 2 and thanks for all the hopper
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love absolutely thanks for taking time out and hanging with us and you know
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ever staying off for so long I know you said 20 minutes but I got like double no really not into it I love it I
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appreciate it very much David thank you brother take care you know you guys out there until next time stay nerdy
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hey guys they from the urkki for nerds by nerds and today I'm hanging out with a celebrity nerd named in harbor and
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we're gonna be just you know shooting the [ __ ] talking about D&D I got him for
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for a brief window here so like I was just telling him I was just telling
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David off-air that I found out that he plays Dean Dee because we did the fantasy cruise we've given away a cabin
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and it was so cool because one of our winners had gotten picked it as asked a
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question and she had asked the kids about if they had ever played D&D and her like no but we were kind of
0:37
interesting when we check it out you know maybe they were maybe they weren't but David threw them all under the
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busses like I play a game every I don't know if he said you play the game every week or you run a game every week but
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you had threw out an invitation for him to play some day and day yeah exactly yeah I ran a campaign I was at the
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Emperor campaign this was like a couple years ago though because my schedule got so busy we had to and like all my
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friends have like weird schedules and so we we started and we were actually doing Pathfinder you ever you planning a
1:10
Pathfinder a little bit that was like a weird time for us where you know 50 or
1:16
they went in the fourth edition we played a little bit of that and Emily were in ER we just got into a super
1:22
girls kick and we totally went in the mutants of masterminds okay and by the time we were coming back the addition
1:27
was coming out and as as the old the older I get the less I want crunch and
1:33
the more rules light systems I tend to go towards now wait you you like more
1:39
rules light systems I do I do actually which is just more freeform like more I
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think think a D and E versus yeah Pathfinder okay yeah yeah I mean cuz we started up
1:53
cuz I hadn't played in years and my friends were like apparently the new system at that point wasn't very good or
1:59
people weren't happy with it they thought it had been more action-oriented or it sort of went along with World of
2:05
Warcraft or something they weren't happy with the D&D system at the time and he said Pathfinder was better so we started
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like getting all those books and like starting a campaign but it was crazy man like I got
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tremendous respect for a good Dungeon Master which I am NOT because it is a very hard job because maybe it's cuz my
2:24
friends are all jerks or something but like you set up this entire campaign and you're trying to guide them toward a
2:29
certain action then like all they want to do is like go explore some kind of drama with some orc in the corner of the
2:37
tavern Ursula and I have to like come up with a whole new mugging plan for them and it's uh it was awful it was quite a
2:43
disaster and also like the idea that like as an actor I mean you're constantly trying to play characters but
2:48
as a DM you're basically playing like a thousand characters like just sort of doing all the voices and all this stuff
2:54
and so I have great respect for people that are able to do that sophisticatedly
2:59
because I was not one of those people yeah Brian's gates in the chat there DM
3:05
is like herding cats exactly that's a lot of stuff we try and touch on on our channel too is like this whole idea of
3:12
writing out these elaborate campaigns and and mapping everything out for players is a waste your time because
3:18
it's because as soon as you as soon as everyone hits the table you might as well dump some gasoline on your notes
3:24
and throw match I didn't realize that but that isn't it you know what it's
3:31
it's it's what we all have to learn and go through and really like this is like Golden Age for playing role-playing
3:37
games like just like me I'm sure you will start when you're younger and there is no resources like
3:43
you know maybe a friend had an older brother you know or a sister that played and that's how you started yeah we had
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like I was in kind of um I guess it was like fifth grade or fourth grade we had like an advanced placement teacher we
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take like eight courses with him and he ran a campaign after school for like
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three hours on Thursday afternoons I think our parents who pay like I don't know like 50 bucks a month for us to
4:10
play in this campaign and that's where I really fell in love with it he was really good like he would come up with his own campaigns and like you know we
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got to multi class and like come up with sort of minions and he had all these different ideas so that's where I really
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fell in love with it that was really my beginnings that was the old system in that was the
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advanced D&D system the old Gary Gygax like the old monster manual and so I
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actually got a reprint of that stuff a couple years ago there's like some
4:39
reprints of the original systems like deities and demigods that book and the
4:44
monster the old monster manual the old dm's guide the old player's guide and those are great like I love all the old
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art in them like all the weird drawing some one that will be really good some of they'll be really horrible and all
4:56
the different gods in the way where they went into it it was you know it's a really cool game what actually one of
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the guys that was on the cruise and we actually met him there he actually lives in your hometown now Brian Stoneman he
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did the plastic galaxy documentary about Star Wars collectibles and action
5:15
figures but he's currently working on AI of the beholder the art of day and day oh wow yeah I think we're expecting it
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out sometime next year but yeah that might be right up your alley and he's like you know he's interviewing every all the artists from
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you know the original game all the way up to the current edition wow that's
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super cool yeah I used to love all those old drawings and like that stuff was so
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great yeah yeah you oh you know you
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always hear these all these great stories about you know people talking about the art people buying the books
5:51
and not even know what the game is they just you know it was the only place for them to get a book of monsters like that
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yeah yeah I felt like you know it was super cool about those old games too which I don't know if it exists so much
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because I feel like now games are based much more in action but what I really loved about the old D&D games were like
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the emotional connections or the relationship connections or just like hanging out in a tavern and like doing
6:15
weird story stuff that wasn't based on like you know killing monsters and so
6:20
when you did kill a monster was maybe like 30% of the campaign but most of the campaign was spent like negotiating your
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histories with various races and like your tensions and even like political
6:31
tensions and things like that which I think it's so much more unique about a game like methan you know I feel like a
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lot of stuff has gone into video games now where it's like all action and there's so little of that you know I felt like
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D&D was such a human game in that way like you could really explore personalities of character and stuff and
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so I love that aspect of the game yeah in one of the last sessions I ran a
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couple of my characters had kind of like been taken in by this old widow and they
7:04
like returned from town from one of their adventures to the news that she'd passed away and her like trying to think
7:10
of like all this in-game stuff they can do but it just turned out she was old you know so they have to you know they
7:17
end up inheriting this state and they have to do a funeral and of course you know I had like demons and stuff show up
7:22
and zombie show up in the funeral because but yeah it's that kind of stuff that is a you know a lot of fun that we
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can introduce into the game the human element interacting with people telling
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these these cooperative stories and I feel like now more than ever like when I
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used to play growing up as a teenager in a tween you would have that DM like like
7:46
you're talking about would that would plot everything out for you and just kind of go along with that story but it really has evolved from from that
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point where we all share the story and kind of create it together yeah and I
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love the like I love the complexity of the world because there's um you know even with the gods and the different
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planes like you know limbo on the chaotic neutral side and then there's
8:10
like that mechanistic ordered world on the neutral side and then there's like Hades and all these different like the
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mythos is so wide and huge and I always found that fascinating like with always
8:21
some little aspect that you can go into that you had known about and there's just so much lore there it was so cool
8:28
so I I thought I had let the guys on on our patron oh you'd be coming on and so
8:34
I said if it had any questions and we could get to them or whatever and her D&D related I would throw them out there
8:40
so Tom Donovan wanted to know what we from pre third edition what was your
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favorite class or archetype of character to play I mean I guess when I first
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started playing I love the cleric class um you know I I
8:58
think it's such a I guess it's different than a paladin but it's something where it's like these guys who would just you
9:06
know carry like a book and a mace and had like healing spells and stuff I got kind of where warriors of the light and
9:12
I like the whole religious mythos of those guys and sort of their passion and and I also love the idea of those guys
9:19
where they couldn't party with like evil members or like even neutral members they had personality issues with like if
9:27
you weren't on that sort of team with the cleric like he'd have a lot of issues with you so I like that
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complexity with them but I really was like a um a cleric guy or like a warrior
9:38
guy I never really got into the like mage class the wizard class or the
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theit's class like I always felt like they were too sort of weak in the beginning like they would just
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ultimately get slaughtered until they got to higher levels and they would just destroy things but like when they were
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they always had like eight hit points or something and they'd always get killed immediately so I was never into like those classes yeah whatever
10:01
one of the guys we used to play with you stories talk about his necromancer of Doom and he was like a fourth or fifth
10:08
level wizard you know but we finished that game any of like 15 hit points guys
10:15
are like glass cannons I always hated those good fifth edition is a little
10:20
more forgiving it's got a little bit easier they they give them a few more hit points and and they have you know
10:27
more spells that they can cast regarding like back in the day you cast you cast magic missile which is probably gonna be
10:34
your one star and like you were done for the day yeah or like burning hands was like another one right and then you were
10:40
like you had like two spells a day or something then you had to go study your books yeah they seemed wildly
10:45
inefficient as opposed to some guy with a mace who I you know who could really like take action yeah the earlier
10:52
addition dishes was really tough for getting that wizard off the levels but then once you got there you were like a
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god mm-hmm and I feel like I feel like especially early on like dragon lands
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did a lot for characters one the play Wizards Raceland Machir yeah and his brother was
11:11
like the warrior right yep and here that all's yeah I remember I read all those books those Margaret Weis
11:17
and Tracy Hicks books or whatever dragons of autumn something and Dragons of spring something yeah those books
11:24
were great and the Raceland was a really cool character yeah yeah that is probably that's probably the second
11:29
series I read after of Lord of the Rings yeah and did they had their own campaign
11:35
in the D&D universe as well like they came out with the the sort of Dragonlance campaign right they did have
11:41
one it had one of the best covers I think in the in the game for a for a while and then you keep referencing the
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cleric and Deedee's and demigods was like what am i probably that's my favorite book to flip through yeah I
11:54
love those like all those I still can look through those different Norma thought oh jeez like the Norse gods and
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the Egyptian gods and on stuff and I loved the art of those things and that
12:06
was great when like we'd sometime start campaigns where you characters would be like level 30 or something and they'd
12:11
all like fight like Odin and so it was all ridiculous like it didn't have any sort of grounding but like the idea that
12:17
like Odin had like 400 hit points and like certain kind of savings then you'd go up against him like I love that sort
12:24
of stuff too that was super cool right and in that book there was only like five gods that had straight twenty fives
12:30
for their stats and it was like Odin and Zeus and I don't remember what the other three were but you know it is very
12:37
limited and of course as nerds like it goes back to are you familiar with Noah
12:43
at Wyler no spoonie well he's another he's a comedian and YouTube personality
12:49
but yeah is yeah he's kind of known for saying if you stat it don't kill it and
12:54
that's exactly the truth because you know you can't put Cthulhu stats out
13:00
anywhere because then the players are looking looking to kill them right exactly
13:05
yeah exactly how long did you play Pathfinder for um we played for like six
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months you know and we got this book like there's a campaign book called rise of the rune Lords which is like a pretty
13:18
specified like campaign and so that's the camp we played we had all the books and
13:23
everything but then I went through systematically like the rise of the rune Lords thing and that was the thing where I kept trying to steer my characters to
13:30
play this version like they had to go fight these orcs and these things and like they never would they'd always just
13:36
wind up like staying in the end and deciding to go to some city that I didn't know anything about like either but that campaign that campaign is
13:43
pretty cool and like I remember in Chapter two there was like these haunt
13:50
things where like your character goes into this house and like they'd be haunted by various figures and I thought
13:56
that was a really cool mechanic like they all had specific psychological haunts that would affect them in combat
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and stuff like that and it was a really detailed interesting world but we we
14:08
only got to explore like a little bit of it and then all our schedule sort of got messed up it also did sound like your
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players were interested in staying yeah yeah exactly yeah they wouldn't fight the monsters
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that I want them to fight it was the point that's great no no good no good
14:27
gaming session survives first contact with the players this is the way it is
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what was it what was it like for stranger things that have so much Obama revolving around a indeed for you like
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did you know that going in yeah because when I first read the script like you
14:46
know one of the first scenes is all those kids in the basement playing D&D and you know the duffer's are like big
14:53
D&D nerds and I I am as well and so like even you know it's funny because we had
14:58
a conversation on set where I didn't I forgot that the demagogue in was an
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actual monster in the Monster Manual like I thought they were confusing it
15:08
with some other demon guy and they brought it up like they brought in the
15:14
man who only had the page and they were like no look here the stats and everything and like the demo Gorgon is
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an actual he is an actual demon like he huh he's in like the nine plains of Hell
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or something now their best yep he was just recently featured in one of the
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newer modules actually called out of the best okay that like the plains of Hades where
15:36
those guys the Devils exist so Devils are how okay and demons are the abyss
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and is the abyss neutral or evil evil and they're both evil just what is chaos
15:52
and evil and one is lawful and evil okay so which is lawful and evil the hell
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realm ooh yeah yeah Devils teeth tend to
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be more about corrupting people through choice where you know where demons are
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just all-out evil yeah that this module was really interesting in that it features a lot of the demon Lords and I
16:17
think at one point like they all fight oh that's cool and like I think the
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players kind of have to like survive the fighting of the demons yeah I got really into in terms of those planes and stuff
16:29
I'm really kind of interested in this skull what is it this slab or the limbo plane that's like a sonic neutral or
16:35
whatever where like gravity doesn't exist those will rear reptilian beings that like the slab is that what they're
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called they're the SCAD or something to slam it yeah they are like these frog demons that that they didn't have a limo
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and limbo is what do they call it the howling plane that so yeah the new
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Monster Manual right here and they're also the new monster manuals are the new books really they really had the feel of
17:05
the the old books because the pages are falling out of them just like late night in the second printing of the first
17:15
edition yeah there's the death sled like those are like the higher ones right and
17:20
there's like red and blue and yeah yeah
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I just like a place of like chaotic neutral like this idea that it's not
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good or bad it's just complete chaos like it has no I love that realm but
17:39
it's like my question for you would be like in terms of because you sort of put characters together right we do all
17:47
kinds of stuff so in of like a demagogue in-world or a demagogue and campaign like let's talk
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about stranger things is like a demo gorgon campaign like you have a party that fights like the last boss is like a
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demo gorgon right so I'd be curious to hear your theories cuz I'm not gonna
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tell you anything but your theories in terms of in the next campaign if these
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characters were to fight other creatures from that world what would be a step up
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from the demagogue on like what would be another monster that might or another devil that might inhabit the universe of
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that demagogue and it might be period to him or a general of his or like what
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what would you put in that campaign well for one I don't know what the hell those kids are gonna do if it's a step up from
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you know the creature from the upside down because that thing was pretty nasty of its own we actually do a series where
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we where we D&D eyes monsters and we did do the creature from the upside down
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well you did absolutely yeah I don't actually remember what we did at
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this point though because it was right after we had been binge watched stranger things
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but yeah so so it's definitely like the upside down is like this kind of like shadow roam right joins you know this
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world the prime Material Plane which I loved like the you know the the teacher yo explaining to the kids how this all
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works like in theory and they're actually like doing this yeah so so like
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you can even turn out right the creature from the upside down isn't like anything but maybe there's more of them so so it
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could be you know the whole race of them obviously like shat like so this is this plane its shadow you know 11 is
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obviously psychic so that and that's what drew the creature so there must be some kind of
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psychic connection right with them and you know maybe yeah it could even be
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that like maybe there are like a hive mind which would be pretty wild and
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crazy I can reveal nothing to you but I
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I actually have no theories I just go in enjoy it I am and I'm also like the
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worst movie critic because I don't cuz I because I have like no taste like I just watch enjoy be more like that's that
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movie was terrible I don't know I liked it yeah did you see yeah did you see the
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trailer for season 2 the Superbowl trailer let's say you know I don't know
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if I did or not there's uh um they it's it was like a little trailer we put out for the Superbowl it just has like
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little clips of this season different things that we have and there's one where we'll is standing at a doorway and
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as he looks out the doorway the sky glows red and there are these lightning strikes and you see this like enormous
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like spider looking being out there in the distance so there is this entity
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that we kind of revealed that that exists in this world and uh you know
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people have been speculating unlike whether or not it has to do with the these'll Hydra talked about in last
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season at the end of last season or or what it really is but um but that's just
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interesting to me in terms of the lore of D&D like what what cuz the demagogue
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in in dungeons dragons is like a devil right like he's a demon mm-hmm and so
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you have like other ranks of demons right do you remember like where the demagogue and fits in those ranks like
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you thought he was pretty high up he ever Corrigan Demi Corrigan and orcas were two rivals and they're like the top
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okay what's orcas orcas is like orcas is just another demon lord and like his
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purview is on death and undead okay lord of ghouls someone's dropping the theory
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of loft in the chat wow what is that Spider Queen right yes yes yeah I
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remember fighting loft when I was a kid yeah I locked the Spider Queen I mean I
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don't know man like that thing if you've seen the trailer that thing looks a little bigger than law but but I like I
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like what it does it does have a spider like quality to it yeah it's pretty pretty freaky well in in previous editions loft was
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just one of the demon Lords oh really I heard - was like a spider queen or something no she was actually yes she
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eventually they eventually elevated her to a god she's one of the Susan's the god of the drow right right right okay
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yeah so I actually I'm pretty sure I did see the trailer but I just data dumps since then right right right yeah my
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brain is like now the new Star Wars trailer or the Ragnarok you're right
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there's a lot of about there well what are you excited for I mean in terms of
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this season man it's gonna be great like I'm really excited for you guys to see it we really have kind of like upped our
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game in terms of the world expanding and
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there's a lot of new mysteries that were able to start to play out in this season
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like we you know we didn't know that we'd be a hit show like we were making a season last year and we didn't even know
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if we get a season two we didn't know if people would like it so you know we had our story sort of self-contained with
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these little pieces of cliffhangers like Elevens Rhian sand you know hoppers sort
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of in with the the lab sort of stuff so
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but we didn't know how big our series would be so in terms of this season we're able to know that we have I think
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a couple more seasons ahead of us and so we start to create a really broader palette I mean it related to D&D it's
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like if you have a campaign right and suddenly your campaign is like alright I can start to lay in this pipe that won't
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be completely solved by the end of season two I can start to lay in these
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characters or these monsters or these beings for these things that won't pay off until further down the road and so
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they're creating we're creating our own sort of mythos around this universe and
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the brothers have this document about the upside down this like huge document where they know all about it but we've
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really only teased in season one just a little bit of it so we start to really go into this bigger world about what the
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up side-down is what it means what its significance is what exists in it
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whether or not it it has sort of sentience or like what it you know what
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it's there to do and that's like exciting so we have like a rip-roaring
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story for season two and yet we also are
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able to start to like get even bigger and so there are things that are gonna
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pay off like way further down the line and also like we're able to go a lot further into character which I'm really
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excited about like hopper starts to get to reveal a lot more things about
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himself and a lot more a lot more of really who he is which we started to
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touch on and we start to see with his daughter and like you know his sort of reemergence into like becoming a man
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again and like sort of reawakening but we start to sort of see more about who he is as a man in this season and that's
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really exciting and also like I know a lot of the payoff if we're able to continue and do more seasons in terms of
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where he's going so it's really fun you know it's it's a really fun world to
25:38
play and it's really exciting and it's amazing to be able to get to do something that is so exciting
25:44
cinematically and sci-fi and like monster movie and also has such heart to it and such soul and I feel like you
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know are you so rarely you get that both those things in a TV show like you either get one or the other and I like
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both of those things but when you put them together like it's just it's just like a dream come true it's a great it's
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a great experience yes
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yeah get some wasn't there before
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might be my and my Internet's not so great something say it's okay it's going
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down that was weird but yeah like when when the season ended like my concern was is are they self-contained seasons
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where okay is it going to be a new slicking almost like an anthology we each season boo and I would hate to see
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the characters go away because everyone that you guys all did such an awesome job and and you know what these
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characters well they're adults and way the adults are so wonderfully broken yeah exactly yeah that's my whole thing
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is like we're all you know I like to play guys you know I'm TV I think you
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see a lot of heroic individuals or people that are so capable even in these comic book universes and stuff and I
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really like to play people like myself that are broken and messed up and you know we're just trying to get by but who
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are able to sort of take heroic actions amidst that and kind of grow and so that's been really exciting
27:14
um and you know it was originally structured we didn't know whether we'd
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have be an anthology like American Horror Story or something where people play different roles and you do different things but I think we are so
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in love with the characters and I think people fall in love with the characters and the writers and the dumpers and
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everything too that we didn't want to let them go and like we want to explore them and there is so much more to
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explore with these people so I think season will still have its own self-contained nature like you'll still
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see a story and you'll be satisfied at the end but you'll still start to
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unravel these characters more and more so so they can pay off further and further down the line and that's you
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know so you have the kind of best of both worlds if you see me laughing or whatever it's because I'm kind of like poking around in a chat to someone else
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someone else a great question I gotta ask what was your favorite hopper punch
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yeah yeah I love them all so much I love them all so much I mean you know it was
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funny like the one that we really kind of defined the character as was there's
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the one where I go in the morgue and the guy won't let me in and I say like I
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make up some excuse about like no I know ban and a mullah and he goes like I don't work for him and I just instead of
28:30
saying something I just pop him and I we you know we actually talked I think at one point the conversation with Netflix
28:36
was like Kent hopper like outsmart this guy like isn't there something that he can do that's like charming or
28:43
intelligent and they were like no it's just funny man he just punches people that began the whole hopper punch thing
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and I love that about him is like he just gets frustrated at a certain point he's just gotta pop people so I think
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that was my favorite the one in the morgue thank you for the question yeah I thought that was pretty funny I thought we would
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never see you like have you guys even seen the character have you read it like we base them on iconic things like
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Indiana Jones who like you know that great sequence where the sword guy comes out and prays law started doing all this
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stuff and he just pulls a gun and shoots him like like that were that we loved in those older movies so we wanted to bring
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some of that to him just that brute you know funny way of approaching a situation so so one of our patreon 7d
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system has a question for you that uh oh thank you for the Tammy thank you so
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much for the super chat much appreciated asked was there any was
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there any resistance to putting D&D into the narrative of the story from from anyone um I don't think so it was sort
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of integral to the whole thing because it was an 80's based story and uh and I
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think because these guys are such fans of like horror and fantasy worlds and that's what our world is and because
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it's a way that these kids interpret the sci-fi insanity that's going on around them and will continue to in season two
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like they continue to you know it's sort of a fun thing for these characters to
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have this world that you know the adults are all like this is crazy what are you talking about and they're like no no we
30:25
understand this like this is where we live and so there wasn't really resistance it was all you know it was
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all sort of integral to the story and I don't think the story would work without it so you're getting a lot at you're
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getting a lot of love in in the chat right now he awesome and they absolutely
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love the hybrid monster yeah I love him - I love him too he's so funny so weird
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strange kind of fat love him because
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he's like a real dude they now Marcus is
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Newark he's got a Dean die and Dean the eyes popper we could absolutely do that I bring that up yeah I wonder what is
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armored glasses and his hip stuff you know what's funny there was uh there's a game
31:17
there's just came hearthstone that Blizzard puts out where they have like cards and stuff and a couple fans put
31:23
out some hearthstone cards and chief hopper had one and he wasn't that powerful I was a little bit disappointed
31:29
I feel like I'm gonna get sober for successive seasons so you can get a little bit stronger up his hit points
31:34
his saving throws and stuff it would be really fun to see a campaign I saw some art online too where they they mapped
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out like 11 as a mage character like Lucas is like a thief character will as
31:48
as the wizard as like a fireball with throwing wizard and all these do it would be really fun to see people like
31:55
take that to the extreme and see how you could create a stranger things campaign I've seen people do like little video
32:02
games I've even seen people do like those choose-your-own-adventure old books they write like certain chapters
32:09
from that and it's like if you decide to do this like turn to page this so it would be really cool to see a stranger
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things campaign for season one that would be really fun I would be tweet me that if you guys have ideas about that
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that's that's a great idea that could be thing we might do make that happen so there's a couple character ideas
32:26
popping up rock hopper rock what do you guys got let me see we got drunk drunken master yeah and we
32:34
have a gunslinger nice both those apply very well so I don't know like how much
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of a Redemption arc I would really want to see with hopper like I don't know if I want the character to change barbarian was popping up yeah I like all it's them
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no it's true I mean you know I think that like I think hopper at the end of
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the day does have an unresolved tragedy in his life and I don't want that ever
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to be played down or ever to be completely resolved and while he does have a reawakening at the end of that
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season when he saves will his daughter is still dead and he still has a lot of
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remorse and guilt about that which you'll start to understand more of as the seasons go on and that stuff is real
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that stuff never goes away and you can't just make himself feel better so I don't want complete redemption for
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operators they're also talking about different feats tavern brawl you're
33:34
absolutely right Tamara where is a P in fifth edition that basically lets you attack unarmed and be better I'd also
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use improvised weapons yeah especially when he has a couple beers in him
33:45
absolutely yes I'll buy like what eight nine in the morning exactly exactly very early on raft he
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brushes his teeth he started to drink it yeah the eighties nostalgia in that
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movie was so good plus and all the throw backs to them from you know from film and TV at that time as well yeah I love
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that era I mean I think that we you know all the movie it kind of came out of
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that era and all the yeah even the television shows like even stuff like
34:20
Columbo is looking back like different shows and stuff I just love that era I think it was a really kind of a golden
34:25
age for movies and TV and so we're trying to recapture some of that by using so the same lexicon while telling
34:32
an original story and I think that's just it's so fun to be a part of that
34:38
well what kind of music are you into a different direction here me I'm into
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like all kinds like I I'm not a huge
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like music music guy like my thing has always been pros like I've always been much more instant books and interested
34:55
in like reading but in terms of music like I like everything from like you know teeny bopper silly pop songs and
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then all the way down to like I love Dylan I love Joni Mitchell I love like Jim
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Croce I love Simon & Garfunkel I love a lot of old folk stuff as well
35:15
I'm not really into like rap and hip-hop and stuff like that although I admire
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like a lot of the technique but it's just not really my thing I like more melodic stuff but yeah I'm kind of all
35:27
over the map I have a very terrible taste like you know I like a nice Carly Rae Jepsen song every now and again I
35:33
don't have like a good Bob Dylan taste as well so I'm all over the map nice so I always I always jokingly tell
35:42
these guys in different videos I'm like a late 80s Early 90s was like the peak of human civilization we can probably
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just end it now yeah I kind of agree except for fashion choices maybe man
35:56
late eighties fashion whoo that stuff's pretty grim yeah yeah yeah it was kind
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of I gotta keep my hair so damn long it's crazy it's like really annoying in
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the summer in the 80s we had parachute pants and New Yorkers yeah exactly
36:16
MC Hammer that stuff yeah a good time for fashion but it I was more into like
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heavy metal yeah I still listen to all that stuff anthrax and Judas Priest yeah I mean I love the original Black Sabbath
36:28
album is like I think one of the greatest albums of all time that there's some great metal stuff that I love so
36:40
you said you know you have to travel back and forth a lot you also said you
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guys before we started you had some questions for me so if there's anything you want to throw
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out there yeah no I was just curious about that Demma goring concept in terms of like what monsters you think fit with
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that like other demon Lords or other like but I guess like and it's so funny
37:04
like my my interest in the slide or those reptilian creatures but I guess those guys are not on the same plane as
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the demon Lords right yeah not really but they're on their own thing but you
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know now like was that an easter egg oh
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no III really I don't know about no it's not an easter egg but I just loved that
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that world of like limbo where it's like chaotic neutral like I love the idea of
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a chaotic world that's neutral as well but that is not a season two spoiler i I
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just myself am fascinated by that stuff but I've had various in terms of the
37:45
theories because I see a lot of theories floating around about what that new spider monster might be that you see in
37:50
the distance what that Bay you know Red Storm creature might be and you know I was just curious in terms of
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your D&D expertise if you if you know of any like who's above the demo Gorgon
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like who's the ultimate ruler of the the hell realm or whatever the realm is so
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in hell like if you had to pick an ultimate ruler it'd be Asmodeus like it's really easy house easy because
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they're very organized okay right but but the abyss is a lot harder because
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they all have their own like place yeah yeah because because there's no rhyme or reason everyone is always fighting for
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power over everyone else and that's the same in hell but in hell there's a structure right and you have to work
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your way through the ranks and and you know you kind of know where you are and you know who you have to beat but in
38:39
hell there's no rules of engagement it's you know it's a free-for-all I mean I know in in the best it's a free-for-all
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so it's every man for himself and however you can make it happen alright interesting so yes so they I mean they
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did drop the fissile Hydra right you know so that's that's a clue somewhere as I'm sure
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and then then there is like are they really going by D&D mythology at all anyway and they just throwing stuff out
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there right exactly exactly well you guys will have to find out I can't I
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can't say anything else but it is it will be very exciting to see what you discover on season 2 what
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we're up against it's pretty gnarly stuff oh yeah I was you my wife watched
39:25
the whole series the her and the kids watched it together just before the cruise they they were they were prepping
39:32
yeah it's a funny show where it's like kids can enjoy it like kids are like 13 and then like people that are like in
39:39
their sixties come up to me on the street and say they love it and like men and women you know it's got like it's
39:44
got so many different colors to it that I think everyone can find sort of an into the show and I'm really proud of
39:50
that um so what's adding the spiders are red herring so the spiders are red
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herring yeah yeah we will see ladies and we will see if it's a red herring so and
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then we're gonna have we're gonna have to de-ice hopper and then what we did at you so you can check
40:10
it out do we do we do a bunch of different uh fictional characters a lot of superheroes and oh cool and you know
40:18
different things from literature people you know people suggest them and if it's something we're familiar with will
40:24
absolutely do it they always try to get us to like video games and anime that we don't watch well I hope I have high
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stats but thank you man I gotta take off
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I'm running late but uh it's good talking to you that was really fun thank
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you chat good thank you guys for watching and I hope you guys enjoy season 2 and thanks for all the hopper
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love absolutely thanks for taking time out and hanging with us and you know
40:54
ever staying off for so long I know you said 20 minutes but I got like double no really not into it I love it I
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appreciate it very much David thank you brother take care you know you guys out there until next time stay nerdy
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