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New A Song of Ice and Fire Update: still not done
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Wow. So it's been more than a year since the last book, the book that was really about half a book padded to full-book length, and the book that's coming out is the book that was "almost done" because it was originally the second half of the un-padded book we just read... and it's still not done?
Shocking.
Don't get me wrong. I'll read it. But GRRM could really stand to hit fewer cons and maybe write his books.
Shocking.
Don't get me wrong. I'll read it. But GRRM could really stand to hit fewer cons and maybe write his books.
Rodrigo Istalindir
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takyris said:
And get an editor that knows how to put their foot down.
replicant2
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I seem to be not the only one worried about GRRM these days. I loved the first 3 Ice and Fire books, but A Feast for Crows was a marked decline in quality, the time spent between books is growing, and the narrative thrust is starting to get a bit fuzzy and watered down.
I hope GRRM proves me wrong, since there's such incredible promise in this series. But he needs to regain a bit of focus, IMO.
I hope GRRM proves me wrong, since there's such incredible promise in this series. But he needs to regain a bit of focus, IMO.
JRRNeiklot
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Yeah, I couldn't even get through a Feast for Crows. I was seriously disappointed.
Steel_Wind
Legend
I enjoyed AFFC, but the problem is that my fave characters (Arya excepted) did not appear in AFFC.
In that I was not alone; most GRRM fans are fans of Jon, Dany, Tyrion and even Bran. So it made a big difference in the novel.
As for his focus...
GRRM spends a lot of time at cons and doing other things. I would get a little snippy about it - except if you read his biographical notes on his site (he put up some new ones 2 months ago) you begin to understand pretty quickly that GRRM's life has ALWAYS revolved around attending SF cons.
In that regard, GRRM is the real deal; he is a genuine *fanboi*. His whole adult life he's been going to them. Moreover, it would seem every love interest in his life - he met at a SF con.
He's been going to them for over 35 years and it is something he and Paris love doing together. A guy who goes to SF cons is very much WHO he is. So...I guess we can't begrudge a man that.
And it's worth remembering that GRRM goes out of his way to be accessible to fans. In fact, I can't recall ANY major author (let alone a genre #1 best-selling author) who is as personally accessible as GRRM is. I think that needs to be taken into account too. Some of these guys you never see. Whereas GRRM organizes a pizza crawl online and tells you where he will be so you can come out with him for the night.
Still - even with his con attendances in past years, he found a way to write.
My guess is that when you really NEED the money those novels generate to pay the rent, it tends to focus your efforts more.
I had thought we would get ADWD for a November 2007 release. While that is still possible - he'll have to get his ass in gear PDQ for that to happen.
In that I was not alone; most GRRM fans are fans of Jon, Dany, Tyrion and even Bran. So it made a big difference in the novel.
As for his focus...
GRRM spends a lot of time at cons and doing other things. I would get a little snippy about it - except if you read his biographical notes on his site (he put up some new ones 2 months ago) you begin to understand pretty quickly that GRRM's life has ALWAYS revolved around attending SF cons.
In that regard, GRRM is the real deal; he is a genuine *fanboi*. His whole adult life he's been going to them. Moreover, it would seem every love interest in his life - he met at a SF con.
He's been going to them for over 35 years and it is something he and Paris love doing together. A guy who goes to SF cons is very much WHO he is. So...I guess we can't begrudge a man that.
And it's worth remembering that GRRM goes out of his way to be accessible to fans. In fact, I can't recall ANY major author (let alone a genre #1 best-selling author) who is as personally accessible as GRRM is. I think that needs to be taken into account too. Some of these guys you never see. Whereas GRRM organizes a pizza crawl online and tells you where he will be so you can come out with him for the night.
Still - even with his con attendances in past years, he found a way to write.
My guess is that when you really NEED the money those novels generate to pay the rent, it tends to focus your efforts more.
I had thought we would get ADWD for a November 2007 release. While that is still possible - he'll have to get his ass in gear PDQ for that to happen.
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Berandor
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For now, I'm expecting AFFC-quality from A Dance with Dragons, meaning it'll be alright, but not great. I agree with Rodrigo that a tighter edit would have benefitted AFFC, and now that I read it I'm not even sure whether it was really a necessary book.
But I'm counting on the books after ADWD to go back to the original heights, since these were the books he's purportedly planned on doing since the beginning. So for the next one, diversion will be enough – but then I demand full power.
And I hope he doesn't die of old age before the series is done.
But I'm counting on the books after ADWD to go back to the original heights, since these were the books he's purportedly planned on doing since the beginning. So for the next one, diversion will be enough – but then I demand full power.
And I hope he doesn't die of old age before the series is done.
replicant2
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Pants said:
Here are publication dates:
A Game of Thrones, 1996
A Clash of Kings, 1999
A Storm of Swords, 2000
...five years later
A Feast for Crows (2005), which is technically a half-book.
I would say the wait between books is growing. But frankly, this is the least of my worries. I'd wait five years between each book if they were great, but AFFC was a bit of a let-down. I still have every hope GRRM can get it back together.
LightPhoenix
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I'm not terribly concerned about the delay. I do wish I had stuck to my guns and not read any of them until the series was finished, because I know it'll be a long while before it is.
I don't know why people are getting upset about him having a personal life. Most of us have jobs or school and still manage to have lives, I don't see why he should be any different. I know writing isn't exactly traditional as far as the way a job is set up, but if he's only writing forty hours a week, he's doing the same work the rest of us are.
I don't know why people are getting upset about him having a personal life. Most of us have jobs or school and still manage to have lives, I don't see why he should be any different. I know writing isn't exactly traditional as far as the way a job is set up, but if he's only writing forty hours a week, he's doing the same work the rest of us are.
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