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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8863470" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Well, I disagree. I think that if they say that, they need to do that, certainly in terms of classes and races. Because it's not something they idly said once, it's a claim they've repeated and used as a reason people should buy the game. They shouldn't have said it if they didn't mean it. It's very clear that the people who have purchased the game believe it if you go on the subreddit, Discord, or the like.</p><p></p><p>If they treat Paladins as "Lawful Good" in 5E, they've screwed up on a profound level, and they shouldn't have included any oaths except Devotion. It's just dishonest to say, include Ancients but treat it as Lawful Good. When Owlcat are doing a better job with Paladins than you, you know you've screwed up.</p><p></p><p>But I'll give them time to get to release. If they don't include Dragonborn, the missing subclasses, Monks, and so on, then yeah I'll be pretty angry, because this game was purchased on the repeated claim that they'd include "everything in the PHB", and whilst I'm willing to let some spells and Feats and so on slip, or see some changes, entire subclasses and stuff? No.</p><p></p><p>Also re: Totem Barbs they're slightly renamed but they're a pretty good implementation - all the animals are there and most of them work the same way, so I'm not really seeing the problem. Nor do I see them "hating" Champion Fighters. Why do you say that?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8863470, member: 18"] Well, I disagree. I think that if they say that, they need to do that, certainly in terms of classes and races. Because it's not something they idly said once, it's a claim they've repeated and used as a reason people should buy the game. They shouldn't have said it if they didn't mean it. It's very clear that the people who have purchased the game believe it if you go on the subreddit, Discord, or the like. If they treat Paladins as "Lawful Good" in 5E, they've screwed up on a profound level, and they shouldn't have included any oaths except Devotion. It's just dishonest to say, include Ancients but treat it as Lawful Good. When Owlcat are doing a better job with Paladins than you, you know you've screwed up. But I'll give them time to get to release. If they don't include Dragonborn, the missing subclasses, Monks, and so on, then yeah I'll be pretty angry, because this game was purchased on the repeated claim that they'd include "everything in the PHB", and whilst I'm willing to let some spells and Feats and so on slip, or see some changes, entire subclasses and stuff? No. Also re: Totem Barbs they're slightly renamed but they're a pretty good implementation - all the animals are there and most of them work the same way, so I'm not really seeing the problem. Nor do I see them "hating" Champion Fighters. Why do you say that? [/QUOTE]
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