New Character Builder from WotC!

[mysticknight232]

Figured it out. Make a normal character and then scroll down when picking the class (warpriest is listed separately from the cleric)

That's dissapointing to me that Warpriest and Cleric are different classes. I would have liked Warpriest to be a build of Cleric. Oh well, good to know in either case.

Edit: That goes for all the other essentials builds like the Knight, Slayer, Mage, Sentinal etc.

 

[Hussar]

You know I distinctly remember paying some money, let me check my credit card statement.... yes, yes I definitely paid some money over. It was never a freebie.

Pirates now they might have got a freebie, but that's a different issue.

Hrm, you actually paid full amount of the entire content of the CB? You own every book that's in there?

If not, then you got freebies. Not that you stole anything. Certainly not. You weren't breaking any rules and the system gave you those freebies.

Now they don't.

Did I say they are evil? Man calm down. I also didn't get a freebie. They offered a service I paid $60-70 or something like that for it (yeah you're also wrong with how I purchase, thanks though).

My comment was WotC created a product that supplanted their books, not supplemented them. There was no presumption, they also never came out and said "hey you must go buy the books and pay for this tool". Was there ever a single line from them saying the opposite? No. I also never said they owe me anything. So again, chill. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Maybe if you hadn't had your uber-defense shield up you'd read my post and maybe think about it before firing back all cylinders with the same rhetoric posted a ton of other places.

I said they designed it that way. If the company could not foresee the possibility that offering their rules with the tool without requiring any purchase of the books would potentially have an adverse affect on sales of physical copies...well ... someone screwed up. Again, if they only wanted you to access the books you bought there'd have been an activation code or some other way of getting the data into your CB. There was not.

This is hardly me being ultra defensive. I'm simply pointing out that you got content at a significant discount (you claim to have spent 60-70 dollars for several hundred dollars worth of content) and now you don't.

Maybe they did screw up. That's entirely possible. Does that mean that they can't fix the problem? That they just have to forever eat the mistake, even if it drives them out of business? I certainly don't think so.

Sure, it was great to get a 80-90% discount on material. Heck, we all like discounts. But, you don't get that anymore. They don't owe you that discount. There was no promise that they would continue providing this material at such a huge discount. They changed their model.

Why get annoyed about it?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So is this like the New Coke and soon we'll be bitching for Classic Coke? I sorta get that impression...

I don't think there's a going back to the old builder (at least not by WotC), no matter how much bitching happens.

It might just be that they need to fix some bugs and performance issues. And add more features.

Or it might be that their entire UI design sucks. I don't like the modal dialogues for selecting feats and powers. It feels constraining. Maybe some like this type of behavior. I don't, the previous builder allowed a far more "fluent" interaction, where you could switch to the next tab or options you wanted to select at any time.

 

[Bagpuss]

Hrm, you actually paid full amount of the entire content of the CB?

Yes on the yearly plan.

You own every book that's in there?

No. But that wasn't what I was paying for.

If not, then you got freebies. Not that you stole anything. Certainly not. You weren't breaking any rules and the system gave you those freebies.

No paying for updates with a yearly subscription was what I was doing, and I got those updates.

Now they don't.

I still don't need to buy the books to get the updates so I fail to see what has changed. The only change is I don't have the access if I stop paying. Still effectively paying the same for a yearly sub.

 

[Canor Morum]

I'll be sticking with the old CB for now. It does everything I need it to do. Ironically, this recent development deters me from purchasing any Dark Sun or Essentials material.

Get it together, Wizards.

 

[Holy Bovine]

Why get annoyed about it?

Because what they are now offering is a tenth as useful as what we had before and costs the same amount of money.

It's OK to admit WotC screwed up badly with this buggy, slow POS online CB - we won't tell them.

Luckily a fellow ENWorlder has found a program that will allow me to add custom content to the old builder. Woot.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Because what they are now offering is a tenth as useful as what we had before and costs the same amount of money.

It's OK to admit WotC screwed up badly with this buggy, slow POS online CB - we won't tell them.

But they can read it right here on the forums! I don't think he'll fall for that.

Luckily a fellow ENWorlder has found a program that will allow me to add custom content to the old builder. Woot.

Best thing to come out of this yet. Well, I hope so. I haven't actually tried it yet.

 

[Hussar]

Because what they are now offering is a tenth as useful as what we had before and costs the same amount of money.

It's OK to admit WotC screwed up badly with this buggy, slow POS online CB - we won't tell them.

Luckily a fellow ENWorlder has found a program that will allow me to add custom content to the old builder. Woot.

Now this? This is totally fair. 100% behind you on this one. Criticizing something AFTER you've had a chance to evaluate it? 100% golden. And, boo WOTC for screwing this up so frigging badly. It's one thing to see the usual suspects bitching about something WOTC has done, but, wowsers, pretty much everyone has given this the big old thumbs down.

That sucks.

 

[The Halfling]

Luckily a fellow ENWorlder has found a program that will allow me to add custom content to the old builder. Woot.

I searched this discussion, and I can't find any reference to this. Can someone report the link or name of the app?

Much appreciated.

 

[Piratecat]

Ironically, this recent development deters me from purchasing any Dark Sun or Essentials material.

I'm in the same place. I'm not buying the material (and I want to!) until I have a character creation tool I can trust that works with them.