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New D&D Adventure Reveal On 17th May at 'The Descent'

Perkins was talking about the 9 Hells...
 

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vecna00

Explorer
I don't think he said no to Planescape, just Spelljammer. I guess we find out tomorrow.
Definitely just "no" to Spelljammer. However, since he makes it a point to keep mentioning it, I'm pretty sure he's just trolling the hell out of us.
 

Parmandur

Legend
So, guys, today's Dragon Talk had a Lore You Should Know talks about the Blood War, and it was very interesting.

Perkins goes into how the Devils need to collect souls to fight the Blood War, and nonchalantly drops the example of how on Avernus an entire city might be sucked in from the material plane for troops.

He then later mentioned how they at one point planned a counter-balance to Out of the Abyss where Asmodeus offered deals to surface cities to protect them from the demons in the Underdark.

I predict that the AP will involve a Diabolical plot to suck Baldur's Gate straight into Hell... descending into Zariel's realm, as it were.
 

Paul Farquhar

Adventurer
They might count the miscellany set as one of the four products: it might even be the mentioned box set.
I always thought "accessories" would make up at least one of the four. I think the box set will be a board game version of the main "Decent" AP. I think the adventure will go to Sigil and several other planes, but there won't be a full Planescape setting book. The fourth is most likely something Eberron.
 

vecna00

Explorer
So, guys, today's Dragon Talk had a Lore You Should Know talks about the Blood War, and it was very interesting.

Perkins goes into how the Devils need to collect souls to fight the Blood War, and nonchalantly drops the example of how on Avernus an entire city might be sucked in from the material plane for troops.

He then later mentioned how they at one point planned a counter-balance to Out of the Abyss where Asmodeus offered deals to surface cities to protect them from the demons in the Underdark.

I predict that the AP will involve a Diabolical plot to suck Baldur's Gate straight into Hell... descending into Zariel's realm, as it were.
That last line....I love the idea of that!
 

Azzy

Cyclone Ranger
I think the box set will be a board game version of the main "Decent" AP.
I disagree on that. WotC has put out several D&D-related board-game based on their APs, but those have never been counted as part of the releases for D&D or taken up a slot in the D&D production schedule. Whatever the boxed set is, if it's being counted as one of the slots in the D&D production queue, then it's an actual D&D product.
 

GarrettKP

Villager
So, guys, today's Dragon Talk had a Lore You Should Know talks about the Blood War, and it was very interesting.

Perkins goes into how the Devils need to collect souls to fight the Blood War, and nonchalantly drops the example of how on Avernus an entire city might be sucked in from the material plane for troops.

He then later mentioned how they at one point planned a counter-balance to Out of the Abyss where Asmodeus offered deals to surface cities to protect them from the demons in the Underdark.

I predict that the AP will involve a Diabolical plot to suck Baldur's Gate straight into Hell... descending into Zariel's realm, as it were.
It should be noted that this LYSK segment is very old. It’s from Jan 2018 and they are replaying it on the eve of the stream, for obvious reasons. It was originally promoting Tome of Foes.

Also no, none of the four big announcements will be board games or accessories. They are books or box sets. They have done board games and dice sets for all the main adventures two years running and those have never been pushed as big product announcements. No reason for that to change here.
 

CapnZapp

Adventurer
The big adventure being announced will be focused on the Bloodwar and will have a heavy focus on Zariel and her fall. This is also likely the followup to Out of the Abyss that Perkins mentioned in an interview last year.
If it actually is, as in you start the adventure at level 12 (?) or whatever, I'll happily eat your hat.
 

Parmandur

Legend
It should be noted that this LYSK segment is very old. It’s from Jan 2018 and they are replaying it on the eve of the stream, for obvious reasons. It was originally promoting Tome of Foes.

Also no, none of the four big announcements will be board games or accessories. They are books or box sets. They have done board games and dice sets for all the main adventures two years running and those have never been pushed as big product announcements. No reason for that to change here.
True, but MToF almost certainly was laying the groundwork for this AP. Baldur's Gate, sucked into Avernus. Big bold prediction.

They count ancillary products as products, certainly: we'll see shortly.
 
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Parmandur

Legend
I disagree on that. WotC has put out several D&D-related board-game based on their APs, but those have never been counted as part of the releases for D&D or taken up a slot in the D&D production schedule. Whatever the boxed set is, if it's being counted as one of the slots in the D&D production queue, then it's an actual D&D product.
The "Dungeons & Dragons 2019 Annual Storyline Dice & Miscellany Set" product mentioned on the Amazon link is almost certainly the "box set," as having dice and various other things would fit the bill for what was described.
 

GarrettKP

Villager
The "Dungeons & Dragons 2019 Annual Storyline Dice & Miscellany Set" product mentioned on the Amazon link is almost certainly the "box set," as having dice and various other things would fit the bill for what was described.
It almost certainly isn’t. The Box Set is going to include more than just dice and maps. Which is exactly what the product page will be. They have done a dice set for the past two adventures and a maps set for Mad Mage and Ravnica. Those were never pushed as heavily as this box set is getting pushed.

People seem to assume that 4 products means they are including the dice sets or board games because they cannot seem to believe that WotC would push more than 3 books a year. But that precedent was broken last year when we got 4 major products.

The same will happen this year, with 4 major books. But this year they are also doing a new Starter Set style box. They will also do dice sets for the major adventure and probably some map packs. Both those can be true without them having to be the same product.

They are increasing production of their major RPG products (Books, Box Sets, anything with crunch and lore, aka not just more dice sets). There’s a reason why WotC just hired more designers.

Also note the Amazon product page lists it as a D&D Accessory. Accessories don’t get (and have never gotten) big announcement reveals. They get mentioned as a side note whenever the product they complement gets announced.
 
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Parmandur

Legend
It almost certainly isn’t. The Box Set is going to include more than just dice and maps. Which is exactly what the product page will be. They have done a dice set for the past two adventures and a maps set for Mad Mage and Ravnica. Those were never pushed as heavily as this box set is getting pushed.

People seem to assume that 4 products means they are including the dice sets or board games because they cannot seem to believe that WotC would push more than 3 books a year. But that precedent was broken last year when we got 4 major products.

The same will happen this year, with 4 major books. But this year they are also doing a new Starter Set style box. They will also do dice sets for the major adventure and probably some map packs. Both those can be true without them having to be the same product.

They are increasing production of their major RPG products (Books, Box Sets, anything with crunch and lore, aka not just more dice sets). There’s a reason why WotC just hired more designers.
Well, can you elaborate on your reasoning for thinking that (serious question)? Stewart has previously said they were looking at 3-4 RPG main products this year, and Ghosts of Salmarsh, Acquisitions Inc., the "Major AP" and probably a setting book round it out. They said they would be announcing 4 "products" during this stream, but products is a broad category, and they produce a number of ancillary items. Yes, they did dice sets and map packs before. But are they really "pushing" this box set? I know they mentioned there would be a box with dice and nice goodies...and this product that Amazon has a placeholder pending announcement at the stream will almost certainly come in a box. Fits the bill. Heck, maybe it comes with an intro adventure, too.

They do already have a new intro product this year, incidentally.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Also note the Amazon product page lists it as a D&D Accessory. Accessories don’t get (and have never gotten) big announcement reveals. They get mentioned as a side note whenever the product they complement gets announced.
If they announce their big book products for the Summer and Fall, and incidentally roll out two ancillary products, that is four products announced. I see no reason to suppose that all four must be big productions and not side notes to "The Descent", unless I am missing something...?
 

GarrettKP

Villager
Well, can you elaborate on your reasoning for thinking that (serious question)? Stewart has previously said they were looking at 3-4 RPG main products this year, and Ghosts of Salmarsh, Acquisitions Inc., the "Major AP" and probably a setting book round it out. They said they would be announcing 4 "products" during this stream, but products is a broad category, and they produce a number of ancillary items. Yes, they did dice sets and map packs before. But are they really "pushing" this box set? I know they mentioned there would be a box with dice and nice goodies...and this product that Amazon has a placeholder pending announcement at the stream will almost certainly come in a box. Fits the bill. Heck, maybe it comes with an intro adventure, too.

They do already have a new intro product this year, incidentally.
Stewart pushing 4 announcements (one of which is a surprise being saved for Sunday) indicates they are more than just accessories. He’s never pushed an accessory with an announcement. They have always been revealed in ads or online articles.

And you don’t push 4 product announcements for your big streaming event if you only have 2 actual announcements people care about. No one is gonna be wowed by dice sets.

Beyond that, we have evidence to assume the box set is much more than just a dice accessory to the main product. Otherwise why cut off his cohost on the last Spoilers and Swag? Everyone already assumes you’re making a dice set for your adventures. So saying “this dice set is awesome, it has so much more in it than the last one” isn’t a huge give away.

And notice the language that was used on the stream. He didn’t refer to the product as a dice set. He referred to it as a box set. And he specifically said it’s better than the last box set they did. They have only ever done one (EDIT: Two with the Stranger Things Starter) other box set for 5e. So there’s no reason for him to have said that unless the new product is a revised or improved version of the starter set.

The speculation will be over soon. Everything will be revealed. But I’m positive the new box set isn’t what’s listed on Amazon.
 
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Paul Farquhar

Adventurer
If they announce their big book products for the Summer and Fall, and incidentally roll out two ancillary products, that is four products announced. I see no reason to suppose that all four must be big productions and not side notes to "The Descent", unless I am missing something...?
People wanting to build up their expectations to ridiculous levels, so they have something to complain about for the rest of the year?
 

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