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D&D 5E New D&D Hardcover To Be Announced On The 23rd (Tomorrow)?

According to this page on Amazon.com, a new Dungeon & Dragons hardcover title for May will be announced tomorrow. Users in the US see the product below (those in the UK are seeing a Wizkids miniatures set instead).

So far signs look like Ravenloft, but we’ll know for sure tomorrow.

[Update -- also mentioned by Todd Kendrick, recently of D&D Beyond].

WotC has posted the below animation, which says “The Mist Beckons”.



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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen
From the D&D site's description (thanks for the link, @JEB): Includes rules and advice for building custom domains and Darklords using established horror tropes or your own special blend.

Now that they took Ravenloft out of the Ethereal and plunked it down in the Shadowfell, I wonder if they're doing away with the whole Core/Clusters/Islands thing altogether--if they're just turning each domain into a site within the Shadowfell. An "Oasis of Horror," if you will.
That’d be cool!
 


see

Adventurer
Witch was certainly not a reasonable translation at the time.
Er, yes, it was. "Witch" was entirely consistent with Jerome's translation into Latin as maleficos in the late 4th Century, Thomas Aquina's discussion in Summa Theologica in the 13th Century, the late 14th Century Wycliffe Bible, the 1599 Geneva Bible, the various Reformation/Early Modern translations for other languages (Luther's use of "Zauberer" in the German, for example), et cetera. It's perfectly possible the translation as "witch" was wrong, but even if wrong, it was entirely reasonable.
Haaretz says that you're severely overclaiming re: mekhashepha here:
That Haaretz article's facts are entirely in agreement with my statement about what the standard interpretation has been. It says that one recent British scholar disagrees with the standard interpretation of the word's root, has a hypothesis about what the translation should be if you accept his alternate root, and that the historical Koine Greek translation doesn't contradict his hypothesis. If we somehow discovered that he was in fact right about the original meaning, it still wouldn't change what the standard interpretation has been for the last 1,600 years.
 
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Arthaus supplements were meant to be interesting to read, but missed the point of being really useful for running the game.
That was a huge problem with White Wolf in that era. On Usenet forums, there were often quite vehement arguments between "readers" and "gamers," with the readers being louder and possibly more in number, with predictable results for the quality of World of Darkness books for use at the table.
 

I didn't realise the shadowfell connection was new, could have sworn that they were in the plane of shadow since 2e.
The Plane of Shadow/Shadowfell only became canonical, rather than a "hey, here's a plane you can use or not, depending on who draws the chart of the planes" in 4E. Both it and Faerie (the future Feywild) were listed as optional planes in the 3E Manual of Planes, as I recall.

That said, a lot of stuff was quasi-official. The Plane of Mirrors, which I love, was never made an official part of the setting, but that didn't stop monsters from there from showing up in 3E monster books.
 

The Plane of Shadow/Shadowfell only became canonical, rather than a "hey, here's a plane you can use or not, depending on who draws the chart of the planes" in 4E. Both it and Faerie (the future Feywild) were listed as optional planes in the 3E Manual of Planes, as I recall.

That said, a lot of stuff was quasi-official. The Plane of Mirrors, which I love, was never made an official part of the setting, but that didn't stop monsters from there from showing up in 3E monster books.
The Plane of Shadow was fully canonical in the 3e Manual of the Planes. In fact it was the only way to travel between multiverses...
 


Alzrius

The EN World kitten
The Plane of Shadow was fully canonical in the 3e Manual of the Planes. In fact it was the only way to travel between multiverses...
Heck, the "Demiplane of Shadow" was around in 1E and 2E as well. I believe 2E Ravenloft even mentioned that it was one of the few planes whose fringes you could touch (though you couldn't fully enter it) while trapped in Ravenloft.
 



cbwjm

Hero
The Plane of Shadow/Shadowfell only became canonical, rather than a "hey, here's a plane you can use or not, depending on who draws the chart of the planes" in 4E. Both it and Faerie (the future Feywild) were listed as optional planes in the 3E Manual of Planes, as I recall.

That said, a lot of stuff was quasi-official. The Plane of Mirrors, which I love, was never made an official part of the setting, but that didn't stop monsters from there from showing up in 3E monster books.
Demiplane of shadow (which later morphed into the shadowfell) was definitely around in 2e as a demiplane, there were many spells that drew upon it (basically anything with shadow in its name). I have since looked it up in planescape's ethereal guide handbook and noted that the ravenloft plane was in the ethereal, so was the demiplane of shadow. No idea how they were treated in 3e, you're probably right in that they suggested it as an optional plane, but I did like how it became a core part of 4e multiverse.
 

Demiplane of shadow (which later morphed into the shadowfell) was definitely around in 2e as a demiplane, there were many spells that drew upon it (basically anything with shadow in its name). I have since looked it up in planescape's ethereal guide handbook and noted that the ravenloft plane was in the ethereal, so was the demiplane of shadow. No idea how they were treated in 3e, you're probably right in that they suggested it as an optional plane, but I did like how it became a core part of 4e multiverse.
In a meta sense, that could be chalked up to planar scholars slowly learning the true structure of the plane over time. They simply first learned about it by accessing it via the Ethereal, so they assumed it was a demiplane, only to learn later that it was actually a full-fledged plane more intimately associated with the Material Plane. The same with the Domains of Dread (first assumed to be a demiplane but discovered to be part of the Shadowfell later).
 

Demiplane of shadow (which later morphed into the shadowfell) was definitely around in 2e as a demiplane, there were many spells that drew upon it (basically anything with shadow in its name). I have since looked it up in planescape's ethereal guide handbook and noted that the ravenloft plane was in the ethereal, so was the demiplane of shadow. No idea how they were treated in 3e, you're probably right in that they suggested it as an optional plane, but I did like how it became a core part of 4e multiverse.
I did not play much in 2E, but I should have realized it was made more of a thing with Planescape, as it's very Planescapey, at least as far as inner planes go.

And yes, Shadowfell and the Feywild, even if I still don't love those names, getting elevated to core status was a great change for 4E, especially as they made low level planar adventures a mainstream possibility, rather than something relegated to a single setting/product line.
 

In a meta sense, that could be chalked up to planar scholars slowly learning the true structure of the plane over time. They simply first learned about it by accessing it via the Ethereal, so they assumed it was a demiplane, only to learn later that it was actually a full-fledged plane more intimately associated with the Material Plane. The same with the Domains of Dread (first assumed to be a demiplane but discovered to be part of the Shadowfell later).
I've often thought that the rigid hierarchy of planes published in The Dragon and later the 1E PHB was a mistake. If the planes were "stuff out there," only loosely grouped into "inner" and "outer" planes, with scholars disagreeing as to whether that's an actual distinction, it would allow a lot more flexibility for DMs and TSR/WotC creators.

That plane your characters stumbled into isn't new, there just wasn't a conjunction of the planes/they didn't walk down the right path through Faerie/didn't perform the ritual correctly/should have turned left at Albuquerque.

As DM, I want the freedom to spring things on my players like the Stygian Library without it violating any sort of canon. My players are used to this, but I think it's a freedom every DM should be allowed.

And when it comes to a place like Ravenloft, which is apparently both a prison and has someone actively trying to trap people there, it ought to not be reachable in any sort of reliable fashion, given the schizophrenic nature of the place. (Also, the 2E idea that there are "scholars" who have lots of ideas about the Dark Powers and the nature of Ravenloft itself is eye-rolling. Something awful should happen to those scholars, whether it's a monster popping out of the mists to behead them or them suddenly waking up in Ravenloft itself, unable to share their smartypants theories with TSR writers.)
 

cbwjm

Hero
I did not play much in 2E, but I should have realized it was made more of a thing with Planescape, as it's very Planescapey, at least as far as inner planes go.

And yes, Shadowfell and the Feywild, even if I still don't love those names, getting elevated to core status was a great change for 4E, especially as they made low level planar adventures a mainstream possibility, rather than something relegated to a single setting/product line.
It existed before planescape, shadow spells in the phb drew upon it. I'm just not sure how developed it was before planescape, not actually sure about how developed any of the planes were before planescape to be honest. Was there a manual of the planes in 1e/2e or were the planes mostly described in dragon articles and adventures?
 

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