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Message: <blockquote data-quote="spinozajack" data-source="post: 7674875" data-attributes="member: 6794198">Couldn't care less about what happens during a soccer game. If I'm expected to see D&D combat versus 8 headed hydras, swordsmen and archers and oozes as similar to the world cup, the game has already failed in its purpose, which is to engage the player. (I find soccer to be about as exciting as baseball, it's good to put on if I want to fall asleep)My point is, one shouldn't have to "look it up" to pay D&D. Not everyone who wants to play a fighter wants to run interference, or be akin to a defensive line. That is another place where the game designed failed to match player expectation, by assuming the default fighter meant anything beyond "striker". Putting the line "role : defender" immediately turned me off playing a 4e fighter. Actually, same thing with the paladin. I didn't want to play a defensive paladin, either. I want to kill monsters, not "run interference with some highly abstract jiggery pokery"</blockquote>