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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MechaPilot" data-source="post: 7674984" data-attributes="member: 82779">As far as having choice, I absolutely understand that.  You are the one that has failed to understand choice by demanding that a martial healing option not even exist as a condition of your continued patronage of D&D.  As choice relates to 4e fighters, simply don't take the powers you don't like.  You have issues with Come and Get It?  You were never required to take it.3e barbarians and rogues did have Ex abilities; where was all the complaining about magical rogues and barbarians?  Where was the complaining about dishonesty when the 3e PHB explicitly states that Ex abilities "may break the laws of physics" but "are not magical?"  The description of the martial power source in the 4e PHB parallels the 3e description of Ex abilities so much that no claim of dishonesty is tenable if you accepted the 3e description of Ex abilities.</blockquote>