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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8382949" data-attributes="member: 18">The difference is that it's possibly to trivially objectively demonstrate it with Bards, and they can be effective in a wide variety of ways, for the very simple reason that they're full casters+.Whereas with Monks, their peak effectiveness is as a one-trick pony. It's a pretty good trick, but it's only one trick, and otherwise they're demonstrably a class that has &quot;certain issues&quot;. Not a disaster, though, certainly &quot;fine&quot;. The main point to redesign with 5E would be to remove a lot of the Shaolin elements from the base class chassis and allow more design space in subclasses (which would mean redesigning all subclasses, note). That and either nerf Stunning Strike or buff other uses of Ki (or both).No 5E class is a disaster. 5E classes only run the gamut between &quot;Okay&quot; and &quot;WOW!&quot;, unlike say, 3E, where the gamut was between &quot;Total trash&quot; and &quot;I AM GOD!!!&quot; (4E was the only edition with a narrower gamut than 5E, but min-maxing had worse issues for 4E so that's a complicated story).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8382949, member: 18"] The difference is that it's possibly to trivially objectively demonstrate it with Bards, and they can be effective in a wide variety of ways, for the very simple reason that they're full casters+. Whereas with Monks, their peak effectiveness is as a one-trick pony. It's a pretty good trick, but it's only one trick, and otherwise they're demonstrably a class that has "certain issues". Not a disaster, though, certainly "fine". The main point to redesign with 5E would be to remove a lot of the Shaolin elements from the base class chassis and allow more design space in subclasses (which would mean redesigning all subclasses, note). That and either nerf Stunning Strike or buff other uses of Ki (or both). No 5E class is a disaster. 5E classes only run the gamut between "Okay" and "WOW!", unlike say, 3E, where the gamut was between "Total trash" and "I AM GOD!!!" (4E was the only edition with a narrower gamut than 5E, but min-maxing had worse issues for 4E so that's a complicated story). [/QUOTE]

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