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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8383922" data-attributes="member: 7023840">So ... here's the thing, from my P.O.V.Take the following two premises as true (you don't have to, but let's work this out):1. D&D consists of more than combat. 2. Things that happen out of combat can be done better, or worse, through abilities/spells/stuff.If you do agree with that, then I think that the following is also true:A. You can have characters that are better out of combat, and character that are better in combat; ORB. You can have characters that are all good at combat, but then they should also be similar at "the other stuff."I'm not advocating for any position here, BTW. Just noting that if you accept that D&D has more than combat, it should be possible to have characters that excel at non-combat things.</blockquote>