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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8384097" data-attributes="member: 20564">This is going to come across as an attack but it really isn't.&nbsp; If every experience you've had with a bard in your party is that, it sounds like you've never grouped up with a competent bard.It's one of the strongest crowd control, action denial, and buffing classes.&nbsp; It is absolutely&nbsp; force multiplier when played well - it's when people don't understand that and try to play it like a force projector that it falls flat.&nbsp; It's one of the few classes to have a good supply of non-Concentration buffs in Bardic Inspiration, both the base usage (oh, your GWM and SS characters love it) and whatever their subclass brings.&nbsp; For example my halfling glamour bard does whole-group tactical repositioning with a side of tHP multiple times every battle.Splitting off a third or more of foes with crowd control like Hypnotic Pattern.&nbsp; Be an off healer to stand up PCs so they don't lose actions waiting for the healer, or stand up that healer.&nbsp; Buff allies.And yes, occasionally they are doing something directly, like a heat metal or animate object or polymorph.&nbsp; They can, but that's not what they do best.People forget that if a character is up because foes lost their action or were debuffed, whatever they do is thanks to the bard.&nbsp; If the vengeance paladin lands a GWM strike due to bardic inspiration, that damage is only there because of the bard.&nbsp; Does the bard need them to do it?&nbsp; Sure, they're a multiplier and 0 x anything is still zero, leaving a bard to rely on their own meager to moderate to directly apply force.&nbsp; But when they are part of a team they make everyone shiny.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8384097, member: 20564"] This is going to come across as an attack but it really isn't. If every experience you've had with a bard in your party is that, it sounds like you've never grouped up with a competent bard. It's one of the strongest crowd control, action denial, and buffing classes. It is absolutely force multiplier when played well - it's when people don't understand that and try to play it like a force projector that it falls flat. It's one of the few classes to have a good supply of non-Concentration buffs in Bardic Inspiration, both the base usage (oh, your GWM and SS characters love it) and whatever their subclass brings. For example my halfling glamour bard does whole-group tactical repositioning with a side of tHP multiple times every battle. Splitting off a third or more of foes with crowd control like Hypnotic Pattern. Be an off healer to stand up PCs so they don't lose actions waiting for the healer, or stand up that healer. Buff allies. And yes, occasionally they are doing something directly, like a heat metal or animate object or polymorph. They can, but that's not what they do best. People forget that if a character is up because foes lost their action or were debuffed, whatever they do is thanks to the bard. If the vengeance paladin lands a GWM strike due to bardic inspiration, that damage is only there because of the bard. Does the bard need them to do it? Sure, they're a multiplier and 0 x anything is still zero, leaving a bard to rely on their own meager to moderate to directly apply force. But when they are part of a team they make everyone shiny. [/QUOTE]

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