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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8384374" data-attributes="member: 87792">And as I said the main effect of the Beastmaster is, in practice, to put you on a permanent escort mission. The problem isn't that you won't survive. It's that your animal companion does almost nothing productive, instead simply taking up resources. You know that you are making things worse for everyone.Asking for complete balance is neither more nor less than a strawman - and that's not how the classic tier list works. What you need is two things:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">For there to be something you are genuinely good at, giving you a time to shine reasonably frequently</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">For you to not be a liability to the rest of the party.</li> </ol>This is not a particularly high bar. Of the pre-Essentials 4e classes every single one of the classes passes this bar. Of the 5e classes only two classes fail to meet point 1 - and even then two out of three monk subclasses succeed via the subclass. Only one single subclass is bad enoughWotC is beholden to hundreds of thousands of people and there is a reason why Tasha's Cauldron of Everything reworked both the Ranger and the Beastmaster subclass of the Ranger. WotC know they screwed up and the mistake with the ranger is on them and they made an attempt to fix it. And given that they have made such a clear and obvious attempt to fix things the idea that WotC didn't make a mistake is ridiculous.Alternatively they could do two things:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Realise that certain elements actually suck and not play them</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Warn other people that they suck so they don't run into this trap.</li> </ol>You, however, seem to be saying that we shouldn't warn anyone of negative play experiences, and that it is peoples' own fault when they have a bad experience even with a class that Wizards has tacitly admitted they screwed up.You, however, seem to equate warning other people about bad experiences and why they are bad so people can see the problem with "being miserable". Your approach of trying to make it the fault of people warning others about bad experiences or trying to understand why they are bad to prevent it happening in the game is what will actually lead to more people tripping over the same rake than if we put warning signs out. Why do you want more and more people to trip over and have problems because they weren't warned about them?</blockquote>

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