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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8384489" data-attributes="member: 20564">I love the idea of a elephant riding dwarven bard.&nbsp; Great fun!To make a side comment, you don't even have to go that far to replace the action economy.&nbsp; While cursing someone to death with vicious mockery makes one giggle, and honestly the debuff is nice on a cantrip, or the pokey-pokey of a rapier does some damage, think about a bard doing none of them.The best of the bardic spell list are all concentration.&nbsp; That's why having a &quot;fill in&quot; action is nice.&nbsp; But having a bard that when not casting just plays and takes the dodge action to help preserve that concentration tactically works just fine while handing out bardic inspirations and healing words with their bonus action.&nbsp; (I learned this playing a Loxodon Cleric, who would run up and engage enemies while Spirit Guardians and Spirtual Weapon were up and just dodge.&nbsp; If they wanted to try to get out of the spirit guarians I got an opportunity attack, and if they wanted to attack me they had disadvantage.)&nbsp; Or heck, skill use is an action - a leader of men could wait until foes are demoralized when losing and then call for them to surrender in the most intimidating way.&nbsp; Basically I'm saying that the need to directly project force, be it by rapier or discovering elephant polo using foe's heads, is orthagonal to the multiplier bards are by freezing out half the foes forces with a crowd control or the like.But I'd play Ivann, feels like a hoot to play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8384489, member: 20564"] I love the idea of a elephant riding dwarven bard. Great fun! To make a side comment, you don't even have to go that far to replace the action economy. While cursing someone to death with vicious mockery makes one giggle, and honestly the debuff is nice on a cantrip, or the pokey-pokey of a rapier does some damage, think about a bard doing none of them. The best of the bardic spell list are all concentration. That's why having a "fill in" action is nice. But having a bard that when not casting just plays and takes the dodge action to help preserve that concentration tactically works just fine while handing out bardic inspirations and healing words with their bonus action. (I learned this playing a Loxodon Cleric, who would run up and engage enemies while Spirit Guardians and Spirtual Weapon were up and just dodge. If they wanted to try to get out of the spirit guarians I got an opportunity attack, and if they wanted to attack me they had disadvantage.) Or heck, skill use is an action - a leader of men could wait until foes are demoralized when losing and then call for them to surrender in the most intimidating way. Basically I'm saying that the need to directly project force, be it by rapier or discovering elephant polo using foe's heads, is orthagonal to the multiplier bards are by freezing out half the foes forces with a crowd control or the like. But I'd play Ivann, feels like a hoot to play. [/QUOTE]

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