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<blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4496101" data-attributes="member: 3087">Why not both? Echidna is a great creature to have in the background of the campaign. Arachne is also fantastic for the spider connection. But we need to be a bit careful because of the whole demon thing. Lolth is/was a spider demon that ascended to god-hood I think people will want to keep that. A more radical reinterpretation would be fun, but frankly, people want to play things that are &quot;close&quot; to DnD.We can give the spider demon an interesting story, and make it part of a larger story that involves an earth goddess, but -don't- think we can just ditch the S&amp;M spider demon angle.Perhaps Echidna gave birth to an infinite multitude of creatures, many of which were cast into the hells? All were monsters, but a handful were not physically ugly...Proto-Lolth, was a perfected sort of deviless that ruled a perfectly ordered city on the material plane, bragged of her cities perfect order (an extension of her own beauty) and was struck down by Juna who said that her absolute order was a web that strangled life?<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> So she creates webs instead of laws to bind people.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">But she still wants to dominate people (a focus of drow society)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">to have a pecking order (another focus of drow society in the books)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">and to rule cities devoted to her.</li>
</ul> </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> She hid her ugliness in darkness and fled to the Shadowfell (where she fell in with Lauto)<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">helps explain drow shadow powers</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">and &quot;dark&quot; pact warlocks if we have them.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Why drow are so physically attractive (i.e. she's living vicariously)</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul>Just trying to work it all together.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Graf, post: 4496101, member: 3087"] Why not both? Echidna is a great creature to have in the background of the campaign. Arachne is also fantastic for the spider connection. But we need to be a bit careful because of the whole demon thing. Lolth is/was a spider demon that ascended to god-hood I think people will want to keep that. A more radical reinterpretation would be fun, but frankly, people want to play things that are "close" to DnD. We can give the spider demon an interesting story, and make it part of a larger story that involves an earth goddess, but -don't- think we can just ditch the S&M spider demon angle. Perhaps Echidna gave birth to an infinite multitude of creatures, many of which were cast into the hells? All were monsters, but a handful were not physically ugly... Proto-Lolth, was a perfected sort of deviless that ruled a perfectly ordered city on the material plane, bragged of her cities perfect order (an extension of her own beauty) and was struck down by Juna who said that her absolute order was a web that strangled life? [LIST] [*] So she creates webs instead of laws to bind people. [LIST] [*]But she still wants to dominate people (a focus of drow society) [*]to have a pecking order (another focus of drow society in the books) [*]and to rule cities devoted to her. [/LIST] [*] She hid her ugliness in darkness and fled to the Shadowfell (where she fell in with Lauto) [LIST] [*]helps explain drow shadow powers [*]and "dark" pact warlocks if we have them. [*]Why drow are so physically attractive (i.e. she's living vicariously) [/LIST] [/LIST] Just trying to work it all together. [/QUOTE]

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