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<blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4499229" data-attributes="member: 3087">Yeah. The fundamental problem with changing lolth is that it's very assumed.People will come in, apply to play&nbsp; drow, get accepted without actually reading much, and then &quot;reference lolth&quot;. (This is true of all choices of course).The name has to go, of course, and a lot of the details can change, but people will really rp it a certain way anyway.&nbsp;I like the idea that she eats the souls of the disloyal and failed and makes them into monsters, mostly driders but also other things.I'm still not so grooving on the monolithic aspect.Can we have this be one group of drow? I.e. Not &quot;all drow are&quot; but one group did, for example either of these guys......could be involved have done it.[d]--[/d]Practically... are we sure that we want to take formorians, a powerful and interesting race with its own history and backstory, and turn them into &quot;they were made by the drow&quot;.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Do we want to make the drow so powerful that the can create other races from scratch?</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">How do they do that?</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Why can they do that?</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Formorians have nothing in common with drow in terms of flavor, so it doesn't make much sense to have them linked really...</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If they can make something like the formorians.... why don't they just flood the world with monsters?</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Doesn't it irriate the gods to have a bunch of mortals who can create life? Isn't that their proviance?</li>
</ul>Prior to 4th edition drow were the &quot;perfect everything&quot;. They were the best swordsmen, the best acranists, priests, best at sneaking, most evil, everyone was afraid of them, etc etc etc.4e seems to be focused so far, on limiting them to sneaky dangerous elves.Giving them some sort of superpower like &quot;race creation&quot; seems to pull them back in the 3e direction.The <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080311" target="_blank">formorian fluff, as written is pretty interesting</a>. I guess I'm not sure that I'm keen to loose it...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Graf, post: 4499229, member: 3087"] Yeah. The fundamental problem with changing lolth is that it's very assumed. People will come in, apply to play drow, get accepted without actually reading much, and then "reference lolth". (This is true of all choices of course). The name has to go, of course, and a lot of the details can change, but people will really rp it a certain way anyway. I like the idea that she eats the souls of the disloyal and failed and makes them into monsters, mostly driders but also other things. I'm still not so grooving on the monolithic aspect. Can we have this be one group of drow? I.e. Not "all drow are" but one group did, for example either of these guys... ...could be involved have done it. [d]--[/d] Practically... are we sure that we want to take formorians, a powerful and interesting race with its own history and backstory, and turn them into "they were made by the drow". [LIST] [*]Do we want to make the drow so powerful that the can create other races from scratch? [*]How do they do that? [*]Why can they do that? [*]Formorians have nothing in common with drow in terms of flavor, so it doesn't make much sense to have them linked really... [*]If they can make something like the formorians.... why don't they just flood the world with monsters? [*]Doesn't it irriate the gods to have a bunch of mortals who can create life? Isn't that their proviance? [/LIST] Prior to 4th edition drow were the "perfect everything". They were the best swordsmen, the best acranists, priests, best at sneaking, most evil, everyone was afraid of them, etc etc etc. 4e seems to be focused so far, on limiting them to sneaky dangerous elves. Giving them some sort of superpower like "race creation" seems to pull them back in the 3e direction. The [URL="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080311"]formorian fluff, as written is pretty interesting[/URL]. I guess I'm not sure that I'm keen to loose it... [/QUOTE]

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