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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4499407" data-attributes="member: 3087"><a href="http://www.enworld.org/wiki/index.php/4e:PC:PbP:Graf:Yenha" target="_blank">Playing one too</a>. Are you a teleporter? I'm a teleporter (i.e. assault).At face value it looks extremely good. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> No MAD (so you get your primary to 20 easy)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Target non-AC</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Defender hit points and AC</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Large amount of potential mobility (as an assault type anyway)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Control powers (at wills!)</li> </ul>My personal opinion is that the swordmage is supposed to help supplement the average party which is heavily oriented towards strikers.They're striker-ie enough to get strikers to play them. But they offer defender and "control" type functions. In fact I think their at wills are at least equivalent to wizard control. (Lightning Lure is better multi-purpose control really than anything the wizard has)Is there stuff "built in" that addresses it (i.e. lightning lure is ranged, while thunderwave is close)?[d]--[/d]Before, in 3.5, power level was -basically- DPS (or DPR -> damage per round).In principle in 4e it's more complex. Right? I'm not sure...So I think it's tricky to compare them to fighters. A fighter has +7~9 or so to hit vs AC. A swordmage, generally has +4~5 vs non AC.But combat superiority makes a fighter is a much better defender.The swordmage can mitigate damage (if they're Aegis of Warding) or increase the damage load on a marked target (with Aegis of Assault) but they can't "pin" someone.Paladin is a much easier comparison. The Paladin Challenge does damage; the Aegis swordmage power allows them to teleport and do damage. The Aegis teleport requires you to use an immediate interrupt.Paladin has single target vs. AC powers. Swordmage has a mixture.The paladin has slightly better defenses (shield for ref, 20 AC without spending any points) but they have serious MAD.The question is, how different is that from playing a suboptimal race/class combo? I'm playing an eladrin paladin (a more illfavored combination was probably never seen); but its not like I get some sort of "powerup" to help me.Obviously, being below the curve is not the same as being above the curve (or having a class that redefines the curve).[d]--[/d]I think we need to think a lot about it. Off the cuff I'm inclined to suggest something where people can play a swordmage but with 20~22 attribute points.That'll make min-maxers crazy and but it won't bother people who have more interest in just playing a class with fun powers.</blockquote>

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