D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[Minigiant]

Bringing back the Avenger gets my endorsement. Though I miss the Monk as an option.

For inclusivity's sake, I'd want a nonspellcasting divine class.

The Monk would be a subclass of the Hero. The Hero class is basically the X Points class.
It would be Ki for Monks, Tactics for Warlords, Spirit for Samurai, or Arrows for Arcane Archers

 

[Maxperson]

For inclusivity's sake, I'd want a nonspellcasting divine class.

The Monk would be a subclass of the Hero. The Hero class is basically the X Points class.
It would be Ki for Monks, Tactics for Warlords, Spirit for Samurai, or Arrows for Arcane Archers

I'd love to see Paladins lose their spells and just have special abilities that are in theme.

 

[Minigiant]

I'd love to see Paladins lose their spells and just have special abilities that are in theme.

For inclusivity's sake, I'd keep Paladins as minor spellcaster who can sacrifice spell slots for smites and buffs.

The Avenger would be the purely no-spell divine class who glows and stabs heretics with big glowing greatsword.

 

[Umbran]

There's a big difference between engaging in physical acts of intolerance and verbal ones.

Mod Note:

Verbal abuse is still abuse. And it can harm. We do not support or tolerate racism on these forums. If you really feel a need to defend people treating their fellow humans badly, do it on some other site, please.

 

[Maxperson]

There was no defense of it at all. Anywhere.

 

[Eltab]

Bringing back the Avenger gets my endorsement. Though I miss the Monk as an option.

A Monk is a Fighter who specializes in fighting with no weapon?

 

[Imaculata]

The fallacy here, is that we're not discussing a list of authors that have inspired other artists—we're discussing what works of fiction that players and DMs should seek as inspiration for their games. An author that includes racist, anti-Semitic, and other bigoted and xenophobic ideologies in his works isn't one we should tell people to look at for inspiration.

Is Lovecraft's work defined by his racism and xenophobia, or by his world building and Cthulhu mythos? Which of these two things is it you think people take inspiration from?

There are a whole lot of authors that have problematic views, but does that mean we must discard all their work? Can we not cherrypick what we do like when looking for inspiration?

 

[Azzy]

Is Lovecraft's work defined by his racism and xenophobia, or by his world building and Cthulhu mythos? Which of these two things is it you think people take inspiration from?

Considering that Lovecraft's works are permeated with his racism and xenophobia, it's a moot point. By endorsing him by his inclusion on a suggested reading list (without some hefty disclaimers) you both tacitly supporting his ideology and are inviting others to read harmful depictions of themselves or their loved ones (see the earlier discussion about Shadow Over Innsmouth).

 

[Jeff Albertson]

Nope. Didn't refer to "many" of them as tetchy, either. Try reading my post again, but this time without going out of your way to find something to be angsty about.

Angsty; no; again, let's not get hysterical, especially when it comes to denial:

Azzy said:
"I think that it's because many people become rather tetchy when it comes to religion (especially their own)"

 

[Imaculata]

Considering that Lovecraft's works are permeated with his racism and xenophobia, it's a moot point. By endorsing him by his inclusion on a suggested reading list (without some hefty disclaimers) you both tacitly supporting his ideology and are inviting others to read harmful depictions of themselves or their loved ones (see the earlier discussion about Shadow Over Innsmouth).

I reject that notion. I don't agree that naming Lovecraft in a list of inspirational authors is equal to support of all his ideas, including his most repugnant ones. Just as listing Heinlein in a list of inspirational authors is not an approval of his ideas on fascism. I also disagree with the idea of discouraging people from reading books that contain racism or fascism.

I don't believe in cancel culture at all. Only by exposing ourselves to these works, and forming opinions about them, can we grow as people. Lovecraft remains an important author in the horror genre from whom dozens of modern writers take inspiration, most of which (or so I hope) are not horrible racists.

Author Stephen King has stated numerous times that several of his stories were inspired by the works of Lovecraft. Does that mean Stephen King supports Lovecraft's bigotry and racism?