D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[FlyingChihuahua]

maybe ask those being called that if they dislike being called that?

I'll be honest.

I kinda... don't care about how homophobes feel about being called homophobes. There's a very simple way to stop being called a homophobe, and that is to stop acting like a homophobe.

 

[FrogReaver]

I'm not particularly concerned about their feelings in regards to having their bigotry called out. If they don't like being called a homophobe then it's probably best that they reevaluate their anti-homosexual lifestyle.

that’s soo inclusive of you

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

that’s soo inclusive of you

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[Doug McCrae]

Something could be called inspirational because it had inspired the game (the current Appendix) or because it is suggested as reading to inspire others coming to the game.

Appendix N in the 1e DMG is both. It's an incomplete list of the works that inspired D&D and a recommended reading list for DMs.

1e DMG: "The following authors were of particular inspiration to me... From such sources, as well as just about any other imaginative writing or screenplay you will be able to pluck kernels from which grow the fruits of exciting campaigns."

Appendix E in the 5e PHB also appears to be both, while Appendix D in the 5e DMG is the latter - recommended reading.

5e PHB: "The following list includes Gary's original list and some additional works that have inspired the game's designers in the years since."
5e DMG: "Here are several inspiring works that can help you become a better storyteller, writer, performer, and mapmaker... For more inspirational reading, see appendix E of the Player's Handbook."

 

[SehanineMoonbow]

So anti-homosexuals/homophobes or racists should be allowed in safe spaces for LGBTQ+ or PoC because doing so is "inclusive"? Being a bigot is a personal choice--a mindset, which a person can work on changing. Race, sexual orientation and gender identity are not choices.

 

[Umbran]

that’s soo inclusive of you

Mod Note:

A little while ago, you were the one who brought up religion. We didn't ding you for that.

This suggestion that we must tolerate bigotry does not fly. Added to the rest, you're done in this thread.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Okay. Everyone, I'm the person who started the thread in case you hadn't noticed.

I've been gone for awhile, and the thread has grown 6 pages longer since my last post. That's fine, and it's taken me quite a bit of time to catch up.

Stop the homophobia debate. Just stop. This isn't constructive, and doesn't help anything in this thread.

Also, here's a general rule that can be applied to most situations:
We don't have to be inclusive to people who don't want to include others, no matter their excuse. So many of the other threads had arguments going on about this, but at the bottom line, you don't have to include racists, homophobes, bigots, or any other group of people whose purpose is to not include others.

Furthermore, if you're told what the topic of the discussion is about, and you're told by the moderators that a tangent to the thread isn't supposed to be discussed for whatever reason, stop talking about it. Keep the discussion on topic. Frankly, I was disappointed that the 6 pages that didn't give much progress to what the discussion is about. The Lovecraft discussion is fine, but I don't want it to go in circles like it did in the other thread. The Appendix discussion, and whether or not we should include the names of authors and creators who were bigoted is a valid discussion, but please keep it constructive (it has been mostly here so far).

 

[Aldarc]

Are there perhaps more positive (and familiar) figures who have used the Cthulhu mythos without the same problematic undertones of Lovecraft who would be worth including in a list of fiction?

 

[SehanineMoonbow]

Are there perhaps more positive (and familiar) figures who have used the Cthulhu mythos without the same problematic undertones of Lovecraft who would be worth including in a list of fiction?

Actually, there is an male/male romance series that was inspired by Cthulhu: the Whyborne & Griffin series by Jordan L Hawk. It's really good, imho.

 

[Haldrik]

Because Lovecraft is a reallife white supremacist, I prefer RPGs distance themselves away from his fiction.

One thing all fascists and other autocrats have in common is a pessimistic view of humanity.