D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[FlyingChihuahua]

Because Lovecraft is a reallife white supremacist, I prefer RPGs distance themselves away from his fiction.

One thing all fascists and other autocrats have in common is a pessimistic view of humanity.

So does that mean that all pessimistic views of humanity are inherently fascist?

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

So does that mean that all pessimistic views of humanity are inherently fascist?

Absolutely not. I'm pessimistic (especially during this pandemic), but definitely not fascist.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Actually, there is an male/male romance series that was inspired by Cthulhu: the Whyborne & Griffin series by Jordan L Hawk. It's really good, imho.

Gaiman’s A Study In Emerald is really good.

 

[Haldrik]

So does that mean that all pessimistic views of humanity are inherently fascist?

Some works are clearly a warning, so as to avoid a dystopia.

By contrast, Lovecraft embraces dehumanization and totalitarianism.

In reallife, Lovecraft obsesses about white supremacism and advocates for German N*zism.

Compare Magic The Gathering that officially deleted cards because of even an unintentional confluence of such tropes.

 

[Cadence]

Are there perhaps more positive (and familiar) figures who have used the Cthulhu mythos without the same problematic undertones of Lovecraft who would be worth including in a list of fiction?

Thread asking for other cosmic horror suggestions...
Best Weird Fiction & Cosmic/Eldritch Horror (without H.P.) ?

 

[Maxperson]

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And yet American society has been pretty tolerant of intolerance up until about 10 years ago with zero movement towards being destroyed by the intolerant. In fact, the intolerant were marginalized and made virtually irrelevant up until about 4 years ago when the intolerance of the intolerant hit a new high and invigorated the intolerant.

I don't buy the premise of that paradox.

I in no way support intolerance and think we should move to marginalize it again so that it's back to being less than it is today.

 

[Haldrik]

I'll be honest.

I kinda... don't care about how homophobes feel about being called homophobes. There's a very simple way to stop being called a homophobe, and that is to stop acting like a homophobe.

Yes to debate.

No to hate.

 

[Cadence]

And yet American society has been pretty tolerant of intolerance up until about 10 years ago with zero movement towards being destroyed by the intolerant.

Except for the war fought because of it in the 1860s? Or the lawfully elected legislatures murdered en masse in several states in the 1870s by the racists? Or the presidential election that almost went out of control and was saved by formally letting the south be officially racist for another 60 years? (The north just did it unofficially). Or the rise of the Dixiecrats and the fight for civil rights from the 1940s to 1960s with the assassinations and brutally suppressed peaceful protests and the riots?

 

[Maxperson]

Except for the war fought about it in the 1860s? Or the lawfully elected legislatures murdered en masse in several states in the 1870s by the racists? Or the presidential election that almost went out of control and was saved by formally letting the south be officially racist for another 60 years? (The north just did it unofficially). Or the rise of the Dixiecrats and the fight for civil rights from the 1940s to 1960s with the assassinations and brutally suppressed peaceful protests and the riots?

There's a big difference between engaging in physical acts of intolerance and verbal ones. Physical acts. Vandalism, assaults, murders, slavery, etc. should be vigorously opposed and those engaging in them punished.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

There's a big difference between engaging in physical acts of intolerance and verbal ones. Physical acts. Vandalism, assaults, murders, slavery, etc. should be vigorously opposed and those engaging in them punished.

and by allowing those verbal acts, you radicalize people into making physical ones.