D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[Maxperson]

and by allowing those verbal acts, you radicalize people into making physical ones.

History doesn't really show that, though. You get the rare crazy who flips out and bombs some place or kills someone, but the vast majority of the bigots out there just talk a lot and get shouted down by more enlightened people.

 

[Wishbone]

the vast majority of the bigots out there just talk a lot and get shouted down by more enlightened people.

Gonna have to disagree with you on that. Bigotry doesn't have to lead to outright physical violence to inflict harm.

It doesn't take that many bigots to get a platform and cause material harm to the people they are against or even the people they claim to be for. Redlining, disparities in public health, and lack of access to capital aren't problems that just started in the last 10 years after all.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

History doesn't really show that, though. You get the rare crazy who flips out and bombs some place or kills someone, but the vast majority of the bigots out there just talk a lot and get shouted down by more enlightened people.

one place being bombed or one person being killed because they like hotdogs instead of tacos or vice versa is about 789,278,897,990 times too many.

 

[Maxperson]

one place being bombed or one person being killed because they like hotdogs instead of tacos or vice versa is about 789,278,897,990 times too many.

Benevolent dictators and oppressors throughout history have used the same line to justify their oppression. Punish the ones who break the laws by committing violence as is appropriate.

 

[Cadence]

There's a big difference between engaging in physical acts of intolerance and verbal ones. Physical acts. Vandalism, ass

There's a big difference between engaging in physical acts of intolerance and verbal ones. Physical acts. Vandalism, assaults, murders, slavery, etc. should be vigorously opposed and those engaging in them punished.

There are still many people alive today who were fighting for their own civil rights in the 60s or saw their parents fighting for it. There are people alive who went through the Nazi death camps or had parents who did. Most adults were around when gay sex between consenting adults was criminal in a score of states. Marital rape was legal in every state during my lifetime.

The speech of people who want to support racism, misogyny, and bigotry is protected from government interference. It isn't protected from legal actions by the public. I would hope all those for evil convert their views to be accepting. I'll take them dying cold and alone in misery as a distant second choice.

 

[Wishbone]

Benevolent dictators and oppressors throughout history have used the same line to justify their oppression. Punish the ones who break the laws by committing violence as is appropriate.

Still, it seems a bit defeatist to throw up your hands and say nothing can be done when witnessing suffering in the world.

 

[Maxperson]

There are still many people alive today who were fighting for their own civil rights in the 60s or saw their parents fighting for it. There are people alive who went through the Nazi death camps or had parents who did. Most adults were around when gay sex between consenting adults was criminal and a score of states. Marital rape was legal in every state during my lifetime.

The speech of people who want to support such things is protected from government interference. It isn't protected from legal action by the public. I would hope they all convert their views to be accepting. I'll take them dying cold and alone in misery as a distant second choice.

Yes, and that speech should be protected. And laws that are wrong should be resisted. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[Maxperson]

Still, it seems a bit defeatist to throw up your hands and say nothing can be done when witnessing suffering in the world.

I'm not saying nothing should be done. When the intolerant gather, those that oppose them gather and use their own words to resist. Intolerant words should be resisted with better words and by better example.

 

[Cadence]

I'm not saying nothing should be done. When the intolerant gather, those that oppose them gather and use their own words to resist. Intolerant words should be resisted with better words and by better example.

Fair.

Or, say, by showing them the door from one's own property or business or social circle or message board, if they continue to demonstrate defense of racism, bigotry, and misogyny. Because they have no right to impose themselves in the privates spaces of those they hate. And those who have been historically oppressed shouldn't have to deal with it anymore.

 

[Wishbone]

I'm not saying nothing should be done. When the intolerant gather, those that oppose them gather and use their own words to resist. Intolerant words should be resisted with better words and by better example.

I guess I'm unclear on your point here. Why did public intolerance only became a problem in the last 10 years?