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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dice4Hire" data-source="post: 5771778" data-attributes="member: 55066">Overall I think the game has always broken at Epic, and 3.5 and 4E are just examples.Just handing out more bonuses, and having higher hit points and the like is not enough. In 4E, epic characters were only really epic because people said they were epic. You would not know it from looking at their sheets. Sure they were nice in combat, and deadly out to about 20 squares or so but is that epic? I do not think so. I am not sure how to solve this problem, but maybe a separate game is the way to go, when the heroes play in the realms of the gods. Might be a good module for 5E to explore.</blockquote>