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<blockquote data-quote="Revinor" data-source="post: 4388823" data-attributes="member: 25037"><p>As far as Skill Challenges are concerned, issue is a lot bigger. If they would correct numbers slightly, we could believe they it is just a small mistake. Changing them by 10 means that previous numbers were just taken out of collective WotC bottoms, without any statistical analysis nor playtesting. I also don't think that new numbers got any serious thoughts.</p><p></p><p>People are now finding that warlock is dealing around half of damage of ranger/rogue. You could try arguing that it is done by design - that warlock is 1/3 controller, has possibilities to avoid attacks, etc which 'costs' him lower dps output. But looking at skill challenge number, I'm now thinking that they just put made up numbers on the spot and not really cared about any more serious analysis.</p><p></p><p>Powers like Blade Cascade are not to be discovered in playtesting. Nobody will abuse BC by accident, so random playtesting won't work. You need somebody to analyse the power - and in this case, playtesting is not really required anymore, till you come with less broken version. And for such powers, person creating it in first place should understand the issue - after all, it was one of the tenets of 4th edition to avoid too many actions from one person, so such powers should have been put to a lot closer scrutiny.</p><p></p><p>I still like 4th edition and I'm going to play it and DM it. I just don't believe anymore in Fairies from the Coast fully understanding the system they have created - which can mean very bad news for future dragon articles/splat books (as amount of holes in the system will probably grow very fast).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Revinor, post: 4388823, member: 25037"] As far as Skill Challenges are concerned, issue is a lot bigger. If they would correct numbers slightly, we could believe they it is just a small mistake. Changing them by 10 means that previous numbers were just taken out of collective WotC bottoms, without any statistical analysis nor playtesting. I also don't think that new numbers got any serious thoughts. People are now finding that warlock is dealing around half of damage of ranger/rogue. You could try arguing that it is done by design - that warlock is 1/3 controller, has possibilities to avoid attacks, etc which 'costs' him lower dps output. But looking at skill challenge number, I'm now thinking that they just put made up numbers on the spot and not really cared about any more serious analysis. Powers like Blade Cascade are not to be discovered in playtesting. Nobody will abuse BC by accident, so random playtesting won't work. You need somebody to analyse the power - and in this case, playtesting is not really required anymore, till you come with less broken version. And for such powers, person creating it in first place should understand the issue - after all, it was one of the tenets of 4th edition to avoid too many actions from one person, so such powers should have been put to a lot closer scrutiny. I still like 4th edition and I'm going to play it and DM it. I just don't believe anymore in Fairies from the Coast fully understanding the system they have created - which can mean very bad news for future dragon articles/splat books (as amount of holes in the system will probably grow very fast). [/QUOTE]
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