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<blockquote data-quote="SnowDog" data-source="post: 222747" data-attributes="member: 2225"><p>As a fighter in Clint's campaign, I'm now wondering whether I'm going to be fighting a gladiator or becoming one <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>I just spoke with Clint about the feat chain, and I had some questions/concerns/general observations. Figured I'd post them here for others to comment on, and let him answer here.</p><p></p><p>While I love the flavor of the parry, my very first concern is in terms of playtesting and number crunching. Without the riposte I wasn't convinced it was meaningful to take this feat chain (balance-wise, not flavor-wise) as opposed to expertise/any improved expertise feats available in other books. With some kind of riposte in there, I think we may have something that rewards the player for taking so many feats.</p><p></p><p>Ok - specific issues: </p><p></p><p>Parrying with a shield: I think it's key that you don't get your shield bonus to your AC while doing this. Should you get more than your ordinary shield bonus to your parry check? Not sure. </p><p></p><p>I like the Riposte feat, especially with regards to it burning an AoO. Do we need a separate feat for 2-weapon riposte, or shall we just say you get that benefit automatically? Not sure.</p><p></p><p>How would, say, Fighting Defensively or Expertise stack here? It obviously lowers the attack, but how does that translate into the parry bonus? Does the bonus to AC from fighting defensively or expertise come back into the parry check?</p><p></p><p>Should wearers of heavy armor and/or encumbered people be able to use this chain if they have the right DEX? Should it use INT instead? DEX and INT? My concern is that you require a DEX of 17 for the highest feat in the list, but if I'm wearing full plate and carrying a warhorse on my back I can still parry and riposte like a madman. One suggestion: if your movement is decreased due to encumberance or armor you cannot use the higher level parry feats (other option: move from DEX 17 to DEX Bonus of +X ... so if armor reduces max dex it impacts your ability to use feat. I'd say go with that except I don't know of any other feat that is worded like that).</p><p></p><p>Can you parry if you've lost your DEX bonus to AC (ala Dodge, which says you cannot dodge in that case)?</p><p></p><p>Balance issue: this provides a great way to get away from touch attacks. I don't think this is broken, though, as I think you already had a way to do this via, say, expertise (and any optional improvements to expertise introduced in other feat books).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SnowDog, post: 222747, member: 2225"] As a fighter in Clint's campaign, I'm now wondering whether I'm going to be fighting a gladiator or becoming one :P I just spoke with Clint about the feat chain, and I had some questions/concerns/general observations. Figured I'd post them here for others to comment on, and let him answer here. While I love the flavor of the parry, my very first concern is in terms of playtesting and number crunching. Without the riposte I wasn't convinced it was meaningful to take this feat chain (balance-wise, not flavor-wise) as opposed to expertise/any improved expertise feats available in other books. With some kind of riposte in there, I think we may have something that rewards the player for taking so many feats. Ok - specific issues: Parrying with a shield: I think it's key that you don't get your shield bonus to your AC while doing this. Should you get more than your ordinary shield bonus to your parry check? Not sure. I like the Riposte feat, especially with regards to it burning an AoO. Do we need a separate feat for 2-weapon riposte, or shall we just say you get that benefit automatically? Not sure. How would, say, Fighting Defensively or Expertise stack here? It obviously lowers the attack, but how does that translate into the parry bonus? Does the bonus to AC from fighting defensively or expertise come back into the parry check? Should wearers of heavy armor and/or encumbered people be able to use this chain if they have the right DEX? Should it use INT instead? DEX and INT? My concern is that you require a DEX of 17 for the highest feat in the list, but if I'm wearing full plate and carrying a warhorse on my back I can still parry and riposte like a madman. One suggestion: if your movement is decreased due to encumberance or armor you cannot use the higher level parry feats (other option: move from DEX 17 to DEX Bonus of +X ... so if armor reduces max dex it impacts your ability to use feat. I'd say go with that except I don't know of any other feat that is worded like that). Can you parry if you've lost your DEX bonus to AC (ala Dodge, which says you cannot dodge in that case)? Balance issue: this provides a great way to get away from touch attacks. I don't think this is broken, though, as I think you already had a way to do this via, say, expertise (and any optional improvements to expertise introduced in other feat books). [/QUOTE]
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