But, this doesn't really capture the solution to the problem. A wizard can get awfully tired of facing tons of things that have +15 Ref saves, take no damage from his spells, and then cut him to ribbons after they approach him unharmed.Quartz said:I don't like the phrasing 'No Reflex save is possible'? What if the spell ordinarily allows a Reflex save? You're trying to negate a rogue's Evasion ability. Another mechanism would be to increase the DC of the save, and there's already a feat for that: Heighten Spell.