D&D (2024) New Greyhawk organized play campaign.

[MonsterEnvy]

Nope, but apparently the new ones are being required for official WotC events. So much for "compatibility" and "it's not a new edition."
Essentially, they're giving folks 4 months to replace their books or be kicked out of the official events.
Yes. I know I can still use the PHB I bought in 1989.
But for the marketing squad to trot out Jeremy Crawford et al, and have everyone at WotC gnash their teeth and tear their garments proclaiming "it's the same game" for a whole year, only to turn around and ban the 2014 versions from their organized play before all the books are even released, they look like fools.

Legends of Greyhawk is different to Adventure's League.

 

[avengingblowfish]

Nope, but apparently the new ones are being required for official WotC events. So much for "compatibility" and "it's not a new edition."
Essentially, they're giving folks 4 months to replace their books or be kicked out of the official events.
Yes. I know I can still use the PHB I bought in 1989.
But for the marketing squad to trot out Jeremy Crawford et al, and have everyone at WotC gnash their teeth and tear their garments proclaiming "it's the same game" for a whole year, only to turn around and ban the 2014 versions from their organized play before all the books are even released, they look like fools.

Do you consider 3.5E to be a "new edition" compared to 3E?

 

[Chaltab]

Legends of Greyhawk is different to Adventure's League.

i mean adventures league is also mandating a rules update but... like yeah, of course they are? Even if there weren't a financial incentive to do so, It would be a nightmare for DMs with groups if players aren't all on the same page. "Why can she Smite every attack but I can only do it as a bonus action?"

It's still backwards compatible in all the ways they said it would be... literally every book but MTF and VGM are still allowed and those were already legacy content before 5E24 was announced.

 

[MGibster]

Do you consider 3.5E to be a "new edition" compared to 3E?

It is called 3.5 instead of 3.0. I considered it a new edition at the time and dropped out of D&D because I felt the changes didn't warrant a new edition.

i mean adventures league is also mandating a rules update but... like yeah, of course they are? Even if there weren't a financial incentive to do so, It would be a nightmare for DMs with groups if players aren't all on the same page. "Why can she Smite every attack but I can only do it as a bonus action?"

I argued the same thing about our own private gaming tables. If I'm using a 2014 build and someone else is using a 2024 build we're going to be using different rules and our abilities will be different. Even some of the spells, like Charm Person, using 2024 rules is different from using the 2014 rules. Are the 2014 rules compatible with 2024? In a technical sense, maybe. Practically speaking, I don't think so. Using them both at the same time is a nightmare for DMs.

I'm not particularly angry. When WotC said it wasn't a new edition I knew it was a lie.

 

[Parmandur]

I argued the same thing about our own private gaming tables. If I'm using a 2014 build and someone else is using a 2024 build we're going to be using different rules and our abilities will be different. Even some of the spells, like Charm Person, using 2024 rules is different from using the 2014 rules. Are the 2014 rules compatible with 2024? In a technical sense, maybe. Practically speaking, I don't think so. Using them both at the same time is a nightmare for DMs.

This really isn't accurate: WotC did actually deliver an update thst allows people to bring 2014 stuff to the table seamlessly without any headaches. Heck, that was true during the UA process, but even moreso in the final books.

 

[Charlaquin]

I tried to tell ya 2024 was a "bait and switch" new edition.
I'll keep my "expired" books, thanks.

i mean adventures league is also mandating a rules update but... like yeah, of course they are? Even if there weren't a financial incentive to do so, It would be a nightmare for DMs with groups if players aren't all on the same page. "Why can she Smite every attack but I can only do it as a bonus action?"

It's still backwards compatible in all the ways they said it would be... literally every book but MTF and VGM are still allowed and those were already legacy content before 5E24 was announced.

This is the thing. Everyone, including WotC, is on the same page regarding the details of what the 2024 rules are and how they relate to the 2014 rules. We just have different value judgements about those same details. “I told you so” doesn’t mean a lot when WotC also told us so. Nobody is confused about what this change is, we’re just bickering about if we should call the thing that we all agree it is a “new edition” and whether or not that’s a good thing. And all possible combinations of answers to “should this be called a new edition” and “is that a good thing” are represented here.

 

[Chaltab]

“I told you so” doesn’t mean a lot when WotC also told us so. Nobody is confused about what this change is

I don't think that's the case; I see a lot of people who seem to think backwards compatibility meant granular mixing & matching like the Tasha's alternate class features and holding that against the designers.

Which is fine, WOTC hasn't really been doing great at deserving our confidence... but I do find the smugness of some of these I told you sos really unwarranted. As you say, Crawford also told us so.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

I don't think that's the case; I see a lot of people who seem to think backwards compatibility meant granular mixing & matching like the Tasha's alternate class features and holding that against the designers.

Which is fine, WOTC hasn't really been doing great at deserving our confidence... but I do find the smugness of some of these I told you sos really unwarranted. As you say, Crawford also told us so.

No I just see a lot of disingenuous stuff.

 

[Remathilis]

Oh look, another thread devolves into edition war by trolls who would rather rehash the same stale and debunked arguments than actually talk about the topic at hand. Must be Tuesday. So let's get this over with:

6th edition, Pinkertons, good-aligned orcs, bait and switch, 3pp, OGL, halflings as strong as goliaths, "person of his time", under-monetized, firing their fans

Ok, now can we discuss an actual Greyhawk OP that isn't tied to AL?

 

[Remathilis]

Do you consider 3.5E to be a "new edition" compared to 3E?

I mean it must.

"In 2003, the [Living Greyhawk] campaign was converted to the revised Dungeon and Dragon v3.5 rules."

Mind you, it was an ongoing campaign at the time. You were FORCED to update if you meant to keep playing. That must make (by the definition prescribed in this thread) 3.5 a separate edition from 3.0. That would make 4th edition really 5th edition, the 2014 books 6th edition, and the new books 7th.

Or we can forget all this silly "what is an edition" stuff...