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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9413148" data-attributes="member: 18">Making it a bonus actions makes it into a complicated and less functional mess. Nothing that's "on-hit" should ever be a bonus action. It's simply bad design (and yeah that does include a couple of existing Feats). Also unless they've made it hit harder, and I haven't seen this discussed yet, the "price" of making a bonus action AND a spell slot means it's considerably worse than it was. The only real nerf it needed was 1/turn. But by making a bonus action, the cost becomes significantly higher than that (because it's removing the possibility of a bonus action attack or the like). I don't think WotC understand the action economy well enough to actually get that though, at this point.I mean, lest anyone suggest they do, remember what they tried to do to Sneak Attack, and seemed really confident was a cool idea.Can you list a couple of the problematic 2014 Paladin combos here? I've literally never heard of this being a balance issue with the 2014 Paladin.Imho it should matter, because if this and the new Ranger represent the general direction of design for 5E from this point onwards, I'm not feeling very good at 5E.However, I don't think they do represent that. I think what actually happened here is the same as what caused problems with several classes in 5E 2014, and caused 4E's blandification to be more severe than intended (per the designers, they we working towards something more like the later take on classes, but had to get it out the door). Specifically, WotC ran out of time to do an actually-good job on the class design for these classes, and just rushed them through with something that it thought would be "good enough". I don't think it is, myself, but at least with Paladin people can just use the 2014 version, whereas with Ranger, it's bad either way.</blockquote>

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